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04 Jun 2022, 8:03 pm

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I can picture how they might think but I can't explain it in words.


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not just NTs, but I think they are more consistent.



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04 Jun 2022, 9:10 pm

Basics: GAF scores of 80-100, standard scores, etc. Unless afflicted by mental illness.
"How they are conditioned and learn, eventually manage and behave" -- obviously, no LDs, no 'distortions' sensory or otherwise related to EF but doesn't necessarily mean won't squander it.

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Cultural, peripheral, subjective, individual that may or may not enhance and/or ruin the basics


Cultural can be one of those high context, low context communication forms -- ask if eye contact and sarcasm is even relevant?
Which is more important compared to another culture -- relationships or productivity? Etc...

Peripherals may or may not give one certain smarts. It's a particular status so to speak.
I mean, how do you compare an NT who was raised by a thriving businessman from an NT who was raised by a struggling poor worker?

Subjective and individual -- get to know them. How they were treated, their preferences, their hopes and dreams, etc...



The "basics" -- closer to human fundamentals (in which everyone can bleed, sense things, are alive, etc.), are not the most relevant to the question, I say... it's just what one has and don't have.

Basics are just how NTs "take" and "give" with whatever they're consuming compared to NDs, translated to the rest.
What they have and do not have issues with, what they may or may not get it -- the so called privileges is already written over and over all over the net already.


"The rest" is more important and will directly most likely manifests behaviorally and mentally.
It is what one received and didn't received, it is also what one gives and cannot give.
What they're accustomed to, what they expect and perceive of themselves and others, etc.

"What this particular set of NT is convinced of" may or may not match "What this particular individual is convinced of".

If one wants to learn how a particular set of NTs think -- as generalized possible possible -- start with the particular collective of choice: the culture, with their idea of what is "fit".

Which can include their idea of what cool and uncool, their gender dynamics, if they're particularly loud or not...
Then move to communications related to that culture -- that's how to make a set more predictable.

Some cultures and ways of communication along with their environment fits one's own ND more, some just don't in general.

Subcultures are given, socioeconomics are given, whatever intricacies of the societies they live in is given, etc.

How said cultures or ways of living itself is alive and moving, like how languages and cultures evolve, is given -- so don't rely 100% on media and textbooks and outdated stats, just go out there.


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04 Jun 2022, 9:44 pm

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I know that people with autism think differently but im confused on how neurotypicals think. All the articles i can find written for neurotypicals and assume you already know how they think.


I'm a resident NT and I think one of the only things I might think might be different is I am comfortable speaking in broad generalisations whereas many Aspies here prefer details. I also don't tend to be triggered as easily (I think?)?



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04 Jun 2022, 9:45 pm

The_Znof wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I can picture how they might think but I can't explain it in words.


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not just NTs, but I think they are more consistent.


Sure you aren't just talking about QAnon and MAGA NTs?



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05 Jun 2022, 12:41 am

Caz72 wrote:
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i dont know and i care even less

Bit rude.


they dont care about my feelings or thoughts so why should i care about them

According to your signature, you have an NT son. So you do not think he cares about your thoughts and feelings, nor you his?



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05 Jun 2022, 1:12 am

Pteranomom wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
UltraViolet240422 wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
i dont know and i care even less

Bit rude.


they dont care about my feelings or thoughts so why should i care about them

According to your signature, you have an NT son. So you do not think he cares about your thoughts and feelings, nor you his?


A lot of folks need to put things in perspective. It's silly when people make negative assertions about all NTs when you have siblings, parents, friends....and if you have NT kids then you are only hurting yourself



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05 Jun 2022, 4:44 am

Pteranomom wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
UltraViolet240422 wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
i dont know and i care even less

Bit rude.


they dont care about my feelings or thoughts so why should i care about them

According to your signature, you have an NT son. So you do not think he cares about your thoughts and feelings, nor you his?


i meant nts in general i dont mean my own son or my mum or my husband


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05 Jun 2022, 4:47 am

Caz72 wrote:
Pteranomom wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
UltraViolet240422 wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
i dont know and i care even less

Bit rude.


they dont care about my feelings or thoughts so why should i care about them

According to your signature, you have an NT son. So you do not think he cares about your thoughts and feelings, nor you his?


i meant nts in general i dont mean my own son or my mum or my husband


You missed out "some". Here you have to write "some" before any group of people otherwise folks here freak out and think you mean all when you don't, then you have to elaborate.

Oops, I meant some folks here freak out. Phew, I nearly made the same mistake you did!


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05 Jun 2022, 5:42 am

Joe90 wrote:
You missed out "some". Here you have to write "some" before any group of people otherwise folks here freak out and think you mean all when you don't, then you have to elaborate.

Oops, I meant some folks here freak out. Phew, I nearly made the same mistake you did!


Actually, most people, autistic or not, would take that to mean ALL NTs. It’s not unique to here or to the neurodiverse.

It’s best to be clear or else you run the risk of being misunderstood and people will think that you are stereotyping/overgeneralizing - which is a common, human tendency.



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05 Jun 2022, 5:50 am

None of us can know how another thinks be we on the spectrum or off it. It is impossible to know what another person will think. We can only guess, but our guesses will be far out. I know that because when I was told off in school for daydreaming I thought "If the teacher knew the wonderful pictures I was daydreaming about, they would have not told me ofd and would have encouraged me to daydream some more!"


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05 Jun 2022, 6:20 am

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None of us can know how another thinks be we on the spectrum or off it. It is impossible to know what another person will think. We can only guess, but our guesses will be far out. I know that because when I was told off in school for daydreaming I thought "If the teacher knew the wonderful pictures I was daydreaming about, they would have not told me ofd and would have encouraged me to daydream some more!"


But speculating is so much fun.



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05 Jun 2022, 6:34 am

NTs definitely think differently to us in some ways though.

I often see posts by autistic people about the frustration of being misunderstood when they have been trying word things in a very clear and unambiguous way.

Yet their friends, family and colleagues consistently misunderstand them.



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05 Jun 2022, 7:56 am

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NTs definitely think differently to us in some ways though.

I often see posts by autistic people about the frustration of being misunderstood when they have been trying word things in a very clear and unambiguous way.

Yet their friends, family and colleagues consistently misunderstand them.


Autistics aren’t the only ones who ever feel misunderstood. Everyone experiences that from time to time to a greater or lesser extent.

No two brains are exactly the same. Everyone thinks at least a little differently - autistic or not.



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05 Jun 2022, 8:08 am

Subjective and emotions based. They think that just because they feel a certain way, that is the reality



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05 Jun 2022, 8:23 am

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hurtloam wrote:
NTs definitely think differently to us in some ways though.

I often see posts by autistic people about the frustration of being misunderstood when they have been trying word things in a very clear and unambiguous way.

Yet their friends, family and colleagues consistently misunderstand them.


Autistics aren’t the only ones who ever feel misunderstood. Everyone experiences that from time to time to a greater or lesser extent.

No two brains are exactly the same. Everyone thinks at least a little differently - autistic or not.


I dunno. I've had autistics explain things to me about what happened in a situation and I can see clear as day what the issue is and they just don't get it. There's a common theme I'm seeing.

I actually find it difficult to explain to the autistic person because they are so set on the fact that they did nothing wrong and were just stating facts and they can't understand at all why the NT took offence.

I used to be more of a black and white thinker myself. I used to just state facts and call a spade a spade. I developed more of an understanding of something, I'm not sure what, nuance, theory of mind etc as I got older and met more people as I travelled around and there's things people say here on WP and in my life where I can see a distinct difference in our logical back and white thought process and the more fluid style of NTs.

They're not all the same, we're not all the same, but there's definate autistic traits in thought processes and communication.

I mean I have tried to explain something to NTs before and they equally were doggedly determined not to get the point. So I get what you're saying. None of us are the ultimate gifted communicators or thinkers



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05 Jun 2022, 9:51 am

You need to factor in nature and nurture, which is what creates personality, individual to collective.

I know that most humans I've interacted with (almost all "NT"), think nothing like me, and I accepted that long ago, which is one reason why I'm that asocial loner. Easier that way. I sorta know how they think from long-term observations and they tend to fall into groups, but said groups intermix so they aren't uniform. It doesn't mean I can get along with them any better knowing this, it just means I know the outcome of things beforehand. Those with personality disorders are the easiest to recognize, and sometimes easier to get along with for me depending.

"Most".

Those of us that are "different", are also different, as we're still products of nature and nurture just as we are Autism. I know a person with a confirmed ASD diagnosis and we've been on the same page most of the time with not much misunderstanding. So, there's probably something to those with Autism thinking along similar lines, or I just lucked out in that regard. :?

Nature and nurture: I'm an Echoist with Autism, so I won't behave like many with just Autism and a "normal" personality. I was made into the former by a Psychopath/Narcissist with undiagnosed Autism and another Narcissist with ADHD via their usual abusive behaviors. I think nothing like the former, even if we share symptoms or traits of Autism, as his thoughts are from the personality disorder overall. I know how Psychopaths/Narcissists think, though. I also probably lucked out being somewhat disabled as I'd be drawn to Narcissists when looking for social relations.