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12 Sep 2007, 3:22 pm

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why would aspergans want to use a label [kanners] when it wasn't leo who researched aspergers?


Well, actually, he did research some early-talking autistic children and ones who went on about their special interests and memorized long lists of stuff. Among others. There was a great deal of overlap between the children studied, they just took slightly different perspectives on them.

I'd prefer just "autistic" (for all of us) though, since that's what both Kanner and Asperger called it and the word is already in common usage.

And then if having to differentiate between things, talking more about "autistic people who can do such-and-such" or "autistic people who have trouble with such-and-such" or "autistic people who did such-and-such at such-and-such a time" or something. Rather than having them named after Kanner and Asperger (which as we can see the naming after them doesn't make sense when the split between their sets of patients doesn't resemble the current diagnostic categories anyway).


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12 Sep 2007, 3:30 pm

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KingdomOfRats wrote:
why would aspergans want to use a label [kanners] when it wasn't leo who researched aspergers?


Well, actually, he did research some early-talking autistic children and ones who went on about their special interests and memorized long lists of stuff. Among others. There was a great deal of overlap between the children studied, they just took slightly different perspectives on them.

I'd prefer just "autistic" (for all of us) though, since that's what both Kanner and Asperger called it and the word is already in common usage.

And then if having to differentiate between things, talking more about "autistic people who can do such-and-such" or "autistic people who have trouble with such-and-such" or "autistic people who did such-and-such at such-and-such a time" or something. Rather than having them named after Kanner and Asperger (which as we can see the naming after them doesn't make sense when the split between their sets of patients doesn't resemble the current diagnostic categories anyway).

so was aspergers unofficially discovered back then?

definitely agree,
what about the high functioning least autistic like aspergans who do not want to be associated with 'autism'/'autistic' in any way?



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12 Sep 2007, 4:18 pm

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so was aspergers unofficially discovered back then?


Both Kanner and Asperger researched at the same time. But yes, some of Kanner's patients would today possibly get diagnoses of Asperger's, and vice versa.

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what about the high functioning least autistic like aspergans who do not want to be associated with 'autism'/'autistic' in any way?


They irritate me (not by the kind of autistic person they are but on the desire to totally distance themselves), but they can of course do whatever they want.


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12 Sep 2007, 5:43 pm

meh, it doesnt bother me too much. i'd actually like to see the word aspergers inserted into the simpsons somewhere purely for its comedic factor :D


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12 Sep 2007, 6:05 pm

thechadmaster,

You DO realize that germans and french people pronounce it very differently. HEY, some foreign english speakers said THEY didn't know that Americans generally pronounce niche like rich!! !! So even your solution is no solution.

I often wondered how some Jewish people write God as G*d or some such because they feel the representation might be erased, creased, etc... and come off as an insult. One problem. Words like GOT, GOTT, DIOS, DEO, Deu, etc... would ALSO have to be similarly changed. Yet they don't do that! IMAGINE!



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12 Sep 2007, 10:19 pm

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Has anyone ever spent time thinking about the word "Asperger"? Most of us know it is the name of the Austrian Doctor who observed our type of behavior back in the 1940's. However fast forward 60ish years. Some people make fun of words jus because the are fun. the pronunciation of "Asperger" is (ass-per-jer). To some the "p" sound can become a "b" and the "jee" (G) sound become hard as in 'green' Now we have "ass-burger". I got made fun of for simply mentioning the condition back in high school. heard things like: 'whoa! Chad's an ass burger" or "what an ass burger". I doubt im the only one to notice this. If you recall back in Hans Asperger's day there was another doctor/scientist by the name of Leo Kanner, who identified a simillar set of symptoms as Asperger did. Why dont we refer to it as "Kanner's Syndrome"? There is a much lower chance of being ridiculed if we use that name. instead of calling us Aspies (ass peas) or (ass pies), we could go by "Kannerite" or "Kannerians"

What Do You Think Fellow Kannerites? :)


It sounds dumb, but I hate the sound of the word 'ass' and any word with that sound in it, at least the way New Jerseyians say 'ass'. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass.;-p I usually just go with 'Autistic' for that reason.



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13 Sep 2007, 1:15 am

One of my friends was reading about Aspergers one day and talked about it a bit at lunch time, which was when I first let any of my friends know I was an Aspie. Since then, that friend has started calling me "Aspie in the grass", and I don't mind, I actually think it's kind of a cool nickname. I'd rather a name for my disorder that sounds like a young snake than one that sounds like a canary any day.


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13 Sep 2007, 1:45 am

How about something like Social Dyslexic Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Social Depressive Disorder, Post-Humiliation Stress Disorder...?



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13 Sep 2007, 6:45 am

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I like to call it "Ass-Burgers" myself, it makes me laugh at the absurdity that is my life. I don't think of "me" as an Ass-Burger but I think of my mind as the Ass-Burger.

If you are dealing with this as your reality you are better served by having a sense of humor about it and appreciating the positive aspects of the syndrome. Somebody calling me names is really the least of my problems. I was actually thankful when people called me names because of the way I think, it alerted me to who they really were. I knew not to bother with those kind of people anymore and I could focus my energy on people who were true friends instead.

Fitting in with the masses is way overrated! Sheeple suck.



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13 Sep 2007, 7:23 am

Doktor Asperger was one of the discoverers of autism. The label currently differentiates a region of autism. I am proud to be a member of Doktor Hans' Army!


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13 Sep 2007, 12:06 pm

Ana54 wrote:
How about something like Social Dyslexic Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Social Depressive Disorder, Post-Humiliation Stress Disorder...?


Dunno. Social Anxiety Disorder already exists and is something else. Social Depressive Disorder sounds like you have problems with depression related to social interaction, which while that's common with AS, really doesn't cover a lot of the major symptoms (sensory problems, etc.)- and depression is a comorbid anyway, not necessarily a feature of AS. Post-Humiliation Stress Disorder sounds pretty negative and accusatory. Plus, not very accurate since it's a developmental disorder you're born with. So while you may develop secondary problems later because of people's reactions, it's not very accurate to say a 3 year old with AS has "Post-Humiliation Stress Disorder."
Regarding Social Dyslexic Disorder, I know people describe AS as "social dyslexia," but dyslexia literally means a dysfunction of the ability to read (and read written stuff, not the general use of "read"). So really it wouldn't be accurate either, since AS has nothing to do with dyslexia. I like AS as a term, I guess. Or at least I haven't heard any alternatives I like better.



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13 Sep 2007, 12:19 pm

[quote=Ana54]Social Anxiety Disorder, Social Depressive Disorder, Post-Humiliation Stress Disorder[/quote]

No, No and No. These do not apply to all aspies.

as for Social Dyslexic Disorder... some aspies are better at displaying body language, but poor at reading it. Others cannot display, but they read just fine. Further, some aspies seem to be better at social stuff than some NTs.

Your forth term, Post-Humiliation Stress Disorder implies that one only becomes an aspie AFTER being humiliated. Aspergic Infants are not especially subject to humiliation.

And yes, I am diagnosed as of age 34.



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13 Sep 2007, 12:37 pm

You could possibly take any name and turn it into something "funny" or inappropriate. Even if you do find a name that will not be ridiculed, you may find out that the name means something totally hilarious in German or Spanish... which would then make life harder for German and Spanish speaking Aspergians. How would you go about finding a name that can not be twisted around in any language?



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13 Sep 2007, 12:52 pm

skahthic wrote:
You could possibly take any name and turn it into something "funny" or inappropriate. Even if you do find a name that will not be ridiculed, you may find out that the name means something totally hilarious in German or Spanish... which would then make life harder for German and Spanish speaking Aspergians. How would you go about finding a name that can not be twisted around in any language?


Apparently Auto manufacturers have specialists that deal with that issue.



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13 Sep 2007, 1:00 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Apparently Auto manufacturers have specialists that deal with that issue.


The Chevy Nova never sold well in spanish speaking countries because "Nova" means "doesnt go" in spanish. The Buick Lacrosse had a similar issue in that "lacrosse" is sometimes used as french slang for masturbation :lol:


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13 Sep 2007, 6:18 pm

I think that Aspergers should have a pronounication of a word with a silent "g"...

Giving a pronounication of As-per-ers which would be very easier to say.