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14 Oct 2007, 3:21 am

Diamonddavej wrote:
A dual diagnosis of Asperger's and Schizophrenia is not allowed in the DSM-IV, but I don't know why. Maybe its money, people with Schizophrenia are proscribed expensive drugs to treat their condition but there are not drugs for AS - so maybe psychiatrists and drug companies worry that if Schizophrenic people are diagnosed with AS as well, they will not have to take drugs anymore = less profit.

Prof. Nash may not know about Asperger's. Though interestingly, I saw him speaking on TV recently. He spoke about how he discovered that people experience emotions, and that before he did not understand that emotions affected people. He went on to say that all his old work on Game Theory was wrong - because it did not take into account people feelings. Only an autistic person can have such problems with emotions like that - and then discover them at some point. By coincidence, I talked about not understanding peoples emotions in my youtube video (I had the same problem).

The essential features of Asperger's Disorder (DSM-IV) are:
Criterion A. Severe and sustained impairment in social interaction
Criterion B. The development of restricted, repetitive patterns of
behaviour, interests, and activities
Criterion C. The disturbance must cause clinically significant impairment
in social, occupational, or other important areas of
functioning.
Criterion D. In contrast to Autistic Disorder, there are no clinically
significant delays in language (eg: single words are used
by age 2 years, communicative phrases are used by age 3
years).
Criterion E. There are no clinically significant delays in cognitive
development or in the development of age-appropriate
self-help skills, adaptive behaviour (other than in social
interaction), and curiosity about the environment in
childhood.
Criterion F. The diagnosis is not given if the criteria are met
for any other specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or
for Schizophrenia.



What if you have AS and then you start to go schizophrenic? Does that mean you're cured of AS?



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14 Oct 2007, 5:26 am

He talked to his friends about possibly using illegal drugs, which could have caused his hallucinations.



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14 Oct 2007, 5:42 am

AS and schizophrenia/schizotypal have similar social difficulties. Autistic disorder has greater difficulties in social interaction over those prior.

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That's an interesting question: I assume the schizophrenia diagnosis would absorb the AS, both are mental disorders after all, i.e., the damage done in schizophrenia is probably similar in location and severity as AS in the brain.



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14 Oct 2007, 5:57 am

This is a quote from one of his students on ratemyprofeessors.com. It made me laugh.

"Two thumbs up to John Nash! He is like a Budweiser Real Man of Genius. He is good at math and he will make you good at math too."



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14 Oct 2007, 12:00 pm

Most researchers seem to agree that the people that end up diagnosed with schizophrenia usually display unusual behaviour and social impairment while growing up, but also cognitive impairment. I find the last part a bit peculiar though, there have been many people with such a diagnosis that have displayed excellent cognitive abilities before the condition struck, John Nash being one. With his obsession for math and his pronounced social difficulties before schizophrenia hit, which didn't seem to change after it did, I consider him a pretty clear case of AS though.

There are many features of mental functioning and reactions that autism and schizophrenia seems to fully share - they're called the "negative symptoms" of schizophrenia. They can be divided into a schizoid/autistic and a disorganized module. The first is our shared preference for solitary activity and existence, and our internal lack of coordination with other people in our ventures. The second is the process of studying the details of objects first and getting started on details in projects right away, often leading to a reduced ability to manage matters in a flexible way. When it comes to actual symptoms within these spheres, people with ASD's and "schizo" conditions seem to share all of them. I've read accounts of many people diagnosed with schizophrenia having the same issues as we have.

The diagnosis of "simple schizophrenia" is almost identical to AS except for our obsessions which they don't have, they really have to look at a person's background to tell individuals apart, not simply life here and now. "Disorganized schizophrenia" isn't too far away either, what was earlier called hebephrenia. People with this diagnosis are known for their mannerisms and grinning unexpectedly, often talking to themselves but not having much in the way of psychoses, the ones occuring not being systematic at all.

Until the AS diagnosis broke through, the ones of our kind that were brought to the attention of psychiatry recieved labels of schizophrenia as I understand it. With the various different conditions under the umbrella of the schizophrenia label(many researchers today argue that the label should be dropped completely), AS could have been included as well since it's quite similar except for the psychotic episodes you're supposed to have. Some diagnoses of schizophrenia don't require these episodes though, like for example the "simple" and "disorganized" labels I mentioned.



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14 Oct 2007, 1:20 pm

I read the book, though it was a few years ago. I can't remember all the details, but it was a little different then the movie. The book went more into detail about his delusions. I think it was the Austrian government that he harassed the most. He sent so many letters, and bothered them constantly. He was no longer allowed in the country. He had some pretty big conspiracy theories that he wholeheartedly believed at the time. He did however, have some pretty big social skill problems. He did have a mistress that he bore a son with. He refused to have much to do with either of them as he thought her to be inferior to him, because of her lack of education. He was also very, very hard on his son. He had certain standards he expected his son to meet, and let him know it. To put it bluntly, he is not a very nice person in general. It also stated in the book that his wife took care of him more like a child then a partner. I can see where he could have AS, or schizophrenia. Now I have the urge to check the book back out at the library. :)



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14 Oct 2007, 1:21 pm

I read the book (checked it out at the library) before I saw the movie on TV. It's one of the great stories of the 20th century.


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