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Okay, I know where this is going.
I don't want to explain the various memes, social interactions, means of communication, and other various sociological concepts to have to get it into your mind what he means.

Also, you have obviously never read it. You won't understand it. Also, your search for justification really leads me to believe you have never read anything about philosophy (Justification ? What is justification? Why does he need justification to write his views?)

Are they not true though? Is what he is saying not true about many radical leftists? You just throw the stereotype and BS insults at the article, without focusing on the facts. You just spout nonsense, and use logical fallacies to try to further your weak arguments (Is there even an argument? I just see nonsense).

Also, if you had even READ IT, you will notice he is critiquing HIMSELF along with the rest of society. However, you wouldn't know that because you just want to attack, attack, attack. He was a scientist, a successful professor, a leftist, etc. Thank you.

So, stop with the charade. Your just carrying on this past when it should of died. What I really want to know is, do you have anything smart to say?

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Ah, you respond too fast!
All I'm saying is, I don't care if he is talking about terrorists, he is stereotyping a group as unjustifiably angry and deceitful, like next hes gonna say all leftists eat babies. I mean, is it fair to say everyone who shares those beliefs hates America and white men and anyone who is successful?

...He is not stereotyping anyone..He says "A minority of activists". He means many of them. It does seem to be true what he says. Also, please don't build "straw man" fallacies, I'll see right through them.

Many leftists feel they need to fight the power because they themselves are weak. That is what he is trying to get at. He is using psychology and philosophy to analyze mindsets.

He is working off a philosophical concept called "The Will to Power". He makes it different though, he combines it with Lazlows Hierachy of Needs and renames it "The power Process"

Please read the books "Beyond Good and Evil" and "Genealogy of Morals" to understand where he is getting his ideas from.

Of course, this argument wouldn't have to be going in if you'd actually READ it.

Listen, I said this already, negatively stereotyping entire groups of people is always wrong, unless that group is like 5 people who all think the same or something. You cant say every single leftist hates America, therefore it is factually wrong! Go ask any of them why they have their beliefs and I doubt any of them will say "because I hate successful people!"

Read the books "The Selfish Gene" and "Beyond Good and Evil", then we can have this discussion. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and I bet you don't even know why people stereotype people (It has to do with meme's). How old are you? Are you seriously this ignorant and naive? Your just spouting rhetoric , and I'm tired of it. Its immature, and very obviously shows you are clueless.

"I dont like him" - Why? - " I am not equal to him" Has any human being ever answered that way?
- Beyond Good and Evil

I think Friedrich's rebuttal to your last point is very appropriate.

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How is he not stereotyping anyone if he is talking about how a "minority of activists" are all the same? That is the definition of stereotyping. By your logic, nobody can be intelligent if they are a "leftist", they must only have those beliefs if they are weak and bitter, do you think the same thing about everybody who doesn't believe everything you do?

Can someone explain to him please?
Im not going to argue with you until you know what your arguing against..
Also? Who says stereotypes are always wrong?

"Although stereotypes are rarely entirely accurate, statistical studies have shown that in some cases stereotypes do represent measurable facts."
- Wikipedia

I know Im not supposed to quote Wikipedia in a discussion. But, some stereotypes do show measurable accuracy. They might not be ENTIRELY true (I don't think his "stereotype" is entirely true either), but sometimes they are true for the majority.

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Do you even know what stereotype means?

I obviously know much better than you do.

Well a good example of stereotyping is like saying "Asians are bad drivers" or "(Leftists) hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality."
Even if the majority of them do, which seems unreasonable, you cant tell me all of them are like that.
Any of this getting through to you yet? I was making a very very simple point, and you took it way out of context.

So I would say, defend the message, not the author. I don't see why math problems or getting into Harvard at 16 should mean that someone's opinions hold more water. I don't know anything about this person, and my thoughts on his quotes are irrelevant, but I think defending him by pointing out how high his IQ is (was?), is stupid. Anyone else feel me there?

He defines leftist very specifically earlier in the text, which I didn't include.
He isnt saying all of them are like that.
Read it please
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Industria ... Its_Future

Am I the only one here who doesn't freak out over stereotypes, broad generalizations, and political incorrectness?

I think that unless you're only asking Asian people to help you with your calculus, or talking to all old people in a really loud voice while asking them how their hip is holding up, then you're fine. I think most people are smart enough to know that not every single person who fits some criteria for a stereotype will be the same. And if they aren't smart enough (flag burning KKK) then, are they even worth b****ing about?

It's just something I've never really understood.

I think stereotypes are hilarious for the most part. I love nagging about all the young punks these days with their piercings and loud music. (I'm 19, have my lip pierced twice, and regularly blast metal from my Jeep). I also love irony.

Did I mention I'm kinda lost on the original post, and I don't really know if my reply is even remotely relevant... to... anything?

kthx

I agree.

Yeah, I did take that out of left field . He was a great mathematician, does that make him a great sociologist? I was just using it to show that he wasn't very "ignorant", as is broadly defined. Thanks for pointing that out. Actually, I was defending the author because the poster was attacking him. He seems to just attack irrelevant things, so I have to pull out irrelevant information.

Some stereotypes are completely bogus (and funny!). However, many meme's travel frequently in groups (People send to start "group thinking" in large groups). What this means is people in a group start to think alike, and the author is trying to get at that they all have a "victim mentality". Their "meme" is this.

I used to be into political activist stuff (food not bombs, whatever..) , and the environment is incredibly incestious. Its incredibly group think focused (whether they admit it or not), and tends to foster a sense of "us vs them".

You have cool sunglasses

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You don't have to.


Yes, but I've never crossed the line and put plans into action.

Ehhhh, its really hard for me to be reading that and stay interested enough to digest any of it. I mean, don't get me wrong, if it was about Egyptian mythology I would be fascinated, but this subject matter is far from my limited interests. If he really was speaking in broad generalities, I'll take your word for it, but from the text you quoted, I would have never guessed it. I just get kinda sore over stereotyping due to all of it I have been subject to by the whole damn world, and I'm not talking about the aspergers. I mean, I am not a politically correct guy, and I joke around about stereotypical or racist stuff with my friends all the time, but I don't seriously believe it.