Since When Do Vaccines have MERCURY in Them?!

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20 Oct 2007, 2:01 pm

Rynessa wrote:

So do vaccines in the US still contain thimerosal?

Yes, they do.
http://www.newstarget.com/011764.html

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20 Oct 2007, 2:04 pm

If you can find incredibly long passages about vaccines and mercury, surely you can find information about mercury poisoning. A good start is Minamata disease. Mercury poisoning is well-documented.

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20 Oct 2007, 2:06 pm

I thought so.
So my first post was right.

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20 Oct 2007, 2:09 pm

To clarify some false information:

Thimerosal is still used in vaccines. Thimerosal is about 50% mercury by weight. Therefore, there is mercury in some very common vaccines.
FDA on Thimerosal

There are loads of studies on the link between autism and mercury (in particular, thimerosal). They go both ways. It is more widely accepted that mercury at toxic levels causes neurological problems, among others. Believe what you want to believe, but don't refuse all vaccines because of ignorance. Lots of vaccines are thimerosal-free.
Various studies

Do your own research--you'll have years of reading material.

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20 Oct 2007, 2:11 pm

KimJ wrote:

One could ask you the same thing, jjstar. You're new and already accusing someone who disagrees with you of being a paid-off troll.

This is an old, old topic and all the credible research has shown there is no link between thimersol and autism. The increase in diagnosis has been shown, time and time again, to be due to increased awareness and the reversal of misdiagnoses (ie schizophrenia, ADHD, mental retardation). There may be a true increase in the numbers but this isn't necessarily known. That is, no one has provided convincing evidence of a true increase.

I don't care how old this thread it, as far as I and others who haven't heard about these dangers are concerned (and I'm noticing there are a lot of us out there) - the information is so vital and pertinent, to dismiss it cavalierly is indicative of someone who's getting a payoff somewhere to silence the masses and keep them confused. Now my question to you is -

When there's CLEAR and proven evidence pointing to neurological damage caused by the toxicity of mercury in the human body, why would someone who isn't benefitting from the mercury trade discount the facts? Or perhaps you have the answers, so let's hear them as to what kind of effect mercury has on the brain and nerves and why after it's been banned by over 20 countries it's still being used against the US population? Or maybe you also have some info that could be helpful in identifying the *other causes* for autism. Please do! And if you can't - then wear your title of troll, because you deserve it.

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20 Oct 2007, 2:20 pm

Rynessa wrote:

Yes I did.
It's used as a preservative.
It goes to a spot at the back of the baby's brain and STAYS THERE.
Many people believe it plays a role in autism, but the CDC insists it doesn't.
Then again, drug companies have much money, and thus much power, in the United States.

You were right on. Why is this still being practiced. OMG.

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20 Oct 2007, 2:28 pm

Site with resources, data and studies linking mercury to autism including a list of vaccines containing thimerosal - http://www.thimerosal-autism-symptoms.com/

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20 Oct 2007, 2:48 pm

Use the edit button every now and then!

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Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative.

I just got the flu shot too -_-;;;

Now then, http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/divisi ... p?id=75751 this argues that Mercury doesn't cause autism, and has a lot of facts to back it up. http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2005/03/ ... utism.html so does this.

And here's a question for you. If America was the only country using Thimersal, then why are 1 in 150 kids here diagnosed on the specrum, while in England, a non-thimersal country, it's 1 in 56?

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20 Oct 2007, 3:07 pm

Thimoseral was removed from all vaccines that are regularly administered to children under 12 in 1999. The only thimoseral-containing vaccine a child can receive is the optional flu shot, which most children don't receive. The rate of autism diagnosis in small children has not declined.

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20 Oct 2007, 3:20 pm

Zwerfbeertje wrote:

jjstar wrote:

*the prevalence of autism has increased 1,000 percent in the last decade*

Based on which research?

The funny thing is that, since they stopped using thimerosal in vaccines, the rate of autism hasn't dropped.

When I was a kid, any time someone got a cut or scrape, we'd slather this red antiseptic liquid called merthiolate all over it. The stuff had been in widespread use since 1929, and continued to be popular until the '70s or so, when trendier products began to erode its market share. Now it's more commonly known as thimerosal.

So I have a couple of questions... (1) If thimerosal causes autism, why are the rates not dropping now that it's out of vaccines? (2) If thimerosal causes autism, why weren't the rates far higher in the 1930s-1970s than they are now, since using merthiolate on a cut would be a dose hundreds or thousands of times greater than you'd get in a vaccine?

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20 Oct 2007, 3:21 pm

ok, I am AS and I was vaccinated 10 years BEFORE they were putting therisol in the vaccines.

So. . what does that make me? A NATURAL Aspie, all you others are just chemical Aspies. .

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20 Oct 2007, 4:02 pm

jjstar wrote:

http://www.whale.to/a/autism_increase.html

Which is exactly what I expected, numbers from IDEA requests and not prevalence of autism. Real prevalence estimates - the ones found by actually screening large amounts of children - do not show any signs of an autism 'epidemic'.

jjstar wrote:

When there's CLEAR and proven evidence pointing to neurological damage caused by the toxicity of mercury in the human body, why would someone who isn't benefitting from the mercury trade discount the facts?

Research shows that there is no link shown to exist between autism and thiomersal.

Now a question for you, when there is no evidence showing that there is a link between autism and thiomersal, why would someone who isn't benefiting from dangerous and unproven therapies, like chelation, provide such misinformation?

Stop such accusations.

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20 Oct 2007, 4:17 pm

sinsboldly wrote:

ok, I am AS and I was vaccinated 10 years BEFORE they were putting therisol in the vaccines.

So. . what does that make me? A NATURAL Aspie, all you others are just chemical Aspies. .

Merle
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FYI Thimerosal was widely used since the ’40s in over-the-counter medicines until the late 90's when it was banned.

Here's the list of all the over-the-counter drugs which used to contain thimerosal:
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/over_the_counter.htm

Neo-Synephrin Nasal sprays were thimerosal-contaminated, and very popular. Very many "generic" store brand nasal sprays also contained thimerosal.

Over-the-counter opthalamic and otic medicines contained the highest concentrations of thimerosal.

Here is a list from the FDA of the vaccines which contain thimerosal:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

Some tradenames used for "medicinal" organomercury compounds (which you should avoid) are:
TM - thimerosal
PMA - phenyl mercuric acetate
PMN - phenyl mercuric nitrate

and more information -
Mercury: Our Preferred Poison - http://www.cent4dent.com/html/dmag.htm

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20 Oct 2007, 4:23 pm

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Have you considered that the mercury is passed from mother to infant via gestation and/or breastfeeding?

http://archive.ewg.org/reports/bodyburden2/part2.php

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20 Oct 2007, 4:40 pm

Okay, I feel like lately I've been posting defending vaccines and nothing else! Maybe it's a new obsession...... Anyways, I would like to make clear a difference between random internet websites claiming things, and usable research. You cannot believe everything you read! In order for a research study to be considered into evidence based practice, it should be a strong study. What makes a strong study? It should have random assignments to control and expiramental groups. It should have a control group. It should have a large sample size that is representative of a population. It should have very specific parameters of it's methods and results. It should have used a variety of statistical analysis to show the results are significant. It should state what measures were taken to eliminate various types of bias. It should be current.....hopefully not more than a couple years old. It should be peer reviewed! I cannot stress the importance of using research that is in PEER REVIEWED JOURNALS!! !! ! Now obviously, many types of research are impossible to do in a randomized, controlled manner, because things have already happened, or it is unethical, or it is economically impossible. However the importance of peer review, and of multiple studies cannot be underestimated! Also, there are ways of doing research over time that are reliable. Anyone in the world can come up with a web page, but not everyone can actually back their claims up with data. Furthermore, there is a difference between two things happening at the same time, two things being correlated, and one thing causing another.

So I went to CINHAL, a database of systematic reviews. A systematic review is a review of many studies (studies are chosen based on specified inclusion criteria....a systematic review wants to use only the best studies, the ones with the strongest design, etc. that way you know the results are more likley to reflect the population). I found a great article from 2006 that looked at all sorts of research, and combined the results. The topic was specifically about the increasing prevelence of autism and the MMR vaccine, and the use of mercury. I don't know how to make links, and it's not a website it's a journal article, so I'm not going to post it here, but if anyone would like to read it they can email me at [email protected]. Anyways, sorry about the rediculously long post, and I promise no more posts about vaccines in the future! ( I can't help it, I'm a healthcare/science geek to the core...)

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20 Oct 2007, 5:11 pm

There have been dozens of peer-reviewed papers done on thimerosal and autism, as well as a few summaries of the literature. Like this one.

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Can J Neurol Sci. 2006 Nov;33(4):341-6.

Immunizations and autism: a review of the literature.
Doja A, Roberts W.

Division of Neurology, Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario, Ottawa, ON, Canada.

Because of a temporal correlation between the first notable signs and symptoms of autism and the routine childhood vaccination schedule, many parents have become increasingly concerned regarding the possible etiologic role vaccines may play in the development of autism. In particular, some have suggested an association between the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. Our literature review found very few studies supporting this theory, with the overwhelming majority showing no causal association between the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. The vaccine preservative thimerosal has alternatively been hypothesized to have a possible causal role in autism. Again, no convincing evidence was found to support this claim, nor for the use of chelation therapy in autism. With decreasing uptake of immunizations in children and the inevitable occurrence of measles outbreaks, it is important that clinicians be aware of the literature concerning vaccinations and autism so that they may have informed discussions with parents and caregivers.

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