Something I have to wonder about...
The seizure disorder is merely a possible comorbid. the literal thinking and figures of speech are things you can learn.
...when you hear hoofbeats, you don't think of zebras.
Okay........
And this means what?

I knew a guy once, a very good doctor and excellent diagnostician. He had an index card file on his desk labled "Zebras." They were all they things he had seen that presented as something else. 100 people will present the same symptoms and 99 of them will have the common ailment, but 1 of them will be a zebra. Doctors are much more inclined to diagnose a condition more common than AS. Some of them have never even seen a case of AS.
My wife was incorrectly diagnosed with Lupus. The correct diagnosis turned out to be CREST syndrome, which is much more rare, but when you hear hoofbeats...
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Oh - well this would fall under 1 - the doctor is clueless - which doesn't surprise me seeing how they're trained.
Sorry about your wife's illness btw. Bummer. Never give up in finding solutions - because they are out there.....everything in it's own time.
...when you hear hoofbeats, you don't think of zebras.
Okay........
And this means what?

I knew a guy once, a very good doctor and excellent diagnostician. He had an index card file on his desk labled "Zebras." They were all they things he had seen that presented as something else. 100 people will present the same symptoms and 99 of them will have the common ailment, but 1 of them will be a zebra. Doctors are much more inclined to diagnose a condition more common than AS. Some of them have never even seen a case of AS.
My wife was incorrectly diagnosed with Lupus. The correct diagnosis turned out to be CREST syndrome, which is much more rare, but when you hear hoofbeats...
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Happy pills do effect depression, but are not going to lead to eye contact, reading facial expressions, body language, or even remembering what faces look like.
If I do most things with my left hand, it is because I am left handed.
If I take a visual test for color blind, I can read the results.
One thing can lead to another, and that to a mental institution, but not for AS,
It could be the underlying cause, but for most people, it is no more than an annoying social problem.
It is like being color blind, nothing to do about it, no therapy, no pill, and good to know why you disagree about some colors.
As for being convinced, I am not, suffering and failure may be your path, but the 2,000,000 in the US mostly lead fairly normal lives, and do not wind up in mental institutions. Psychiatrists have their own agenda, making payments on the Mercedes, and informational sites like WP are cutting into what they see as their turf.
You say we are all in great danger of something bad happening, because, "I am really convinced of this from my own experience." Good, forming your own opinion is good.
I would suggest you read the Wiki article on AS, to see how their description fits what doctors have told you, and what you know from your own experience.
As for it not being the only explanation out there, what other condition has a lack of eye contact, an inability to read facial expresions, understand implied meanings, body language, while having a normal or above IQ and no signs of other pervasive mental condition?
I know of nothing close.
As there is no treatment, pill, cure, only the realization that you process information slightly differently, and can learn to avoid misunderstood communication, by asking the right questions, writing memos, versus spoken means, and adapt to the larger world.
AS is not a disorder, a disease, a mental illness, we are not broken, and we do not need to be fixed.
I am only convinced because, "it went a long way to explaining so much that has happened to me in my life."
I agree with your conclusion, but will skip the mental hospital, doctors, pills, and, "just get on with my life."
The problems can be coped with by understanding the cause, it is not a big thing.
The other side of the coin is the focus, talents, and drive that come with it, that can be directed to enhancing life. It explains why I see math and computers as simple and logical, how I order and write information, why so many are published, hold patents, gifted in music and art, and take leading roles in life.
AS people are intelligent, hard working, if quirky and obsessive, law abiding, truthful to a fault, and have a strong sense of right and wrong. The only problems are in social communication, and the Internet filters that out. The growing world of the Internet seems to be made for them, as it was made by them, and they are the natural type that will grow with the Internet, and reach world's undreamed of.
The bad is not knowing, getting depressed, having no explanation for why, and self-diagnoses clears that up. There is no treatment, pill, cure, only the support that can be found for free, 24/7 from the wonderful folks on Wrong Planet.
Absolutely.
*kisses Inventor on the cheek*
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it depends on what is meant by communication,there are pills for verbal communication-Felbatol and Zarontin,they have both given speech to severely autistic NV children.
that is not true as it is assuming all are the same-not all aspies are intelligent,hardworking,obsessive,law abiding,truthful and have a strong sense of right and wrong,am live with several on the spectrum,one of them is an aspie and she proves wrong all those stereotypes-including all the social stuff.
also,aspergers is not 'social dyslexia',that might be more true? for people who are on the mild and hf side of AS,but the social problems trait can be the least thing to bother about for those whom are more autistic.
could you tell me what pills you're taking?
Celexa, Kepra, and Trazadone, twice a day everyday, except for the Trazadone which I take before I go to sleep. And I'd be f****d without my wife's medical insurance. I find it frightening to think of people with any illness or disorder or whatever you want to call it that don't have medical insurance. Health care shoud be free for everyone.
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it depends on what is meant by communication,there are pills for verbal communication-Felbatol and Zarontin,they have both given speech to severely autistic NV children.
that is not true as it is assuming all are the same-not all aspies are intelligent,hardworking,obsessive,law abiding,truthful and have a strong sense of right and wrong,am live with several on the spectrum,one of them is an aspie and she proves wrong all those stereotypes-including all the social stuff.
also,aspergers is not 'social dyslexia',that might be more true? for people who are on the mild and hf side of AS,but the social problems trait can be the least thing to bother about for those whom are more autistic.
One size never fits all, nothing is universal, but the subject I was addressing is plain garden varity AS, and it is not a sterotype, but a description, most fit in this range, show these traits, the Dx for AS differs from the Dx for LFA, LFA, any one person, is another subject.
AS is a class of it's own, not panautisum. A Dx of AS places limits of what it is not. It is not a personality, WP has a range as large as the world. It is a defined set of traits, of which, any may be had to a greater or lesser degree, and not all are needed for the Dx. It can also have other conditions, comorbids, but they are case by case, and not AS.
I am not denying that we can get way bent out of shape trying to deal with the world, or hardly notice it.
We are all in this together, high, low, ADD ADHD, family, friends, and what works for one, works for them.
All I can say is how I see it, and what works for me.
Same here. Not to mention I was scoring so high into the aspie range on all the online diagnostic tests that until i had a friend take them, I seriously thought it was impossible to acheive an NT score.
It was really hard to accept at first, in large part because as my bf puts it, "saying I have asperger's is taking all of my best traits and saying there is something wrong with me for them." But unlike him I eventually got used to the idea.
About a year later i mentioned to a psychologist during my first visit that I thought I had asperger's. She said she didn't think so, and the reasons she gave for saying that were the same reasons my bf's dad didn't think i had it. But those were things I had only learned since selfdiagnosing myself, like making good eye contact - it was only in the past year that I had only become aware that you should look people in the eye at times other than when they are angry at you.
After the psych gave me the diagnostic tools she did label me as an Aspie, though she said i was only one standard deviation above the cut-off.
Self-diagnosis through research and thoughtful evaluation is the way to go, in my opinion. And if 3 doctors tell me I have 'x', then I still apply my intelligence to the matter and come to my own conclusion that may affirm or may refute what the doctors say I have. There is no easy physical test, such as taking a blood sample, determining the level of a liver enzyme, then looking up the result in a database. Diagnosing adults is particularly difficult because of the coping mechanisms and the effects of childhood traumas on the behavior presented. Some of us have PTSD and/or depression from what we went through growing up. I once paid to see a neuropsychiatrist who basically just agreed with me that I have AS, no testing, just 'looks like it to me too' and took my money. I come to my own conclusions based on study plus the application of logic. Trust must be earned, I don't just give it to someone in a white coat with a title of 'MD'. Heck, people are mis-diagnosed all the time. When the shoe really, really fits the foot perfectly, you know it's a match.
Diagnosis is a big deal. For me, it was worth making sure as it meant that my entire life up to that point had to be reinterpreted in light of knowing that I was born this way. That family/friends were not simply cruel or mean for no reason, but were responding to the quirky way that I acted. It was a very big deal for me and took me a few years to process. It was time for me to realize my part in what went on, how odd, sometimes selfish, and often childish I was. Nobody knew. Cut them some slack.
What else presents a similar set of symptoms? Well, schizoid personality disorder is pretty close. But schizoid behavior usually starts later while I've always been this way, and the sensory sensitivity/overload problems, handwriting, motor coordination plus CAPD point to AS. When you study it, eliminate every other possibility, then the one that is left is the answer until new evidence proves otherwise. NLD/NVLD is another similar diagnosis, but it appears that many of us have a non-verbal learning disorder as part of the whole AS picture.
There is no need to prove anything to anybody but ourselves. I'm here at WP because we share a unique way of experiencing the world that is often alienating. It is really helpful to come here and know we are a family of sorts.
could you tell me what pills you're taking?
Celexa, Kepra, and Trazadone, twice a day everyday, except for the Trazadone which I take before I go to sleep. And I'd be f**** without my wife's medical insurance. I find it frightening to think of people with any illness or disorder or whatever you want to call it that don't have medical insurance. Health care shoud be free for everyone.
Celexa is for depression, NOT an AS symptom!
Kepra is for epilepsy, NOT an AS symptom!
Trazadone is for depression/sleep, NOT an AS symptom!
Though some may claim they are symptoms, they are really comorbids or outgrowths. and they are certainly NOT the main symptoms of AS. If any doctor saw just THEM, AS wouldn't even be a passing thought. And curing them is not a cure for AS!
As for healthcare being free, they should probably standardize it and make people pay or something. It is ALREADY running at a LOSS and people like ME have to pay more because medicare doesn't pay enough. I currently am doing work for a company taking medicare. You would not BELIEVE the garbage! A VALID claim loses them tens of dollars per service, MINIMUM, and they are REQUIRED to take INVALID ones! Meanwhile, I HAVE to have insurance AND pay into medicare for all the rest. That is FAR from fair!
Kepra is for epilepsy, NOT an AS symptom!
Trazadone is for depression/sleep, NOT an AS symptom!
Though some may claim they are symptoms, they are really comorbids or outgrowths. and they are certainly NOT the main symptoms of AS. If any doctor saw just THEM, AS wouldn't even be a passing thought. And curing them is not a cure for AS!
I never said that depression is a symptom of AS. Kepra is for epilepsy, well I'll have to take your
word for it, but I'm not epileptic. It's for anxiety. And the Trazadone lets me sleep. So?
I'm not seeking a cure, but these medications work insofar as I can get from day to day without being burdened with all the pain and confusion that used to define my life.
But maybe my doctor is wrong, and you're right. I really don't know, and I don't care. I just know that I feel a great deal better than I ever did in my life.
And what the hell does "comorbid" mean? It's not in my dictionary.
(I'm guessing right about now that if I don't know then I must not really have Asperger's, which would be fine by me. Anyway, what do doctors know? I'll have to ask mine about "comorbid" the next time I see him. I swear, some of you guys are attached to these terms like they're your life savings or something.)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comorbidity#Comorbidity_in_mental_health
I guess I am self-diagnosed. My take on myself would be AS/ ADD combined as I seem to have symptoms of both.
My reasons are:
1) Im a pincushion of sensory sensitivities
2) I had to learn how people thought through reading books because I couldnt tell in real life what people were feeling.
3) There is a big gap in my mind where a lot of known NT reaction are..
4) I struggle with focus... going from hyperfocus to jittery distractiveness, there is never a middle ground
5) I hate all the initial weird shite like saying hello to people, and I dont like much eye contact.
6) I always felt different
7) My thinking processes are completely different to most people I meet.
8 ) I am talkative, but I dont talk "to" people, I talk "at" them.
9) I forget to blink for long periods of time, and sometimes my brain locks obsessively onto things.
10) It's better than just being "the weird girl".
So, there is my list.
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I had no choice but to read up on mental disorders and educate myself on Aspergers because I don't have the luxury of health insurance. Aspergers has explained way too much that goes on inside my head. The more aware I am of which behaviors of mine are disorderly, the more able I am to control them.
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