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07 Nov 2007, 10:51 pm

ChatBrat wrote:
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I believe my parents are something.


Same here.


Thirded.

My dad is emotionally distant for sure. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Aspergers, too, though I haven't put much thought into that. He would NEVER ever even look into it if someone brought it to his attention, I'm sure. I wouldn't get more than two seconds into that conversation before he called me a quack and stopped listening. Needless to say, we don't talk about anything important whatsoever, and we never have. In fact, my whole family is like that. My step mom I've come to realise is an alcoholic. My mom... well, she's just obsessed with being as normal as possible. There's really no better way to put it.



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08 Nov 2007, 3:39 am

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Actually yes. All of the negative symptoms of these disorders stem from the root of fear and the acting out behaviors are all those which were stated in the original post. Fear underlines all disorders - there is nothing else that wreaks havoc and destruction in the soul, body and mind like fear. It tears aways at the fabric of esteem and it breaks the soul in to fragments - aka mental illness.


You're not describing mental illness, Yoda, you're describing traits that everyone can exhibit; add in the reference to "soul" and you're entering the land of mumbojumbo (see: a subjective opinion).

I've got plenty of fear, perhaps more than a solitary human should feel: I ain't a "'...rageaholics, alcoholics, criminals, borlderline personality types, cruel, demeaning, blaming, victimizing, abusive, punishing?'" I'm sarcastic, but that's due to autism and my search to "fit in", I use sarcasm as a means of interaction. Those who're mentally ill are prone to be victims of abuse for the simple reason that they can be too trusting of "normal" people.

To lump victims of abuse into the category of your notion that's mental illness is telling.



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08 Nov 2007, 5:16 am

Danielismyname wrote:
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Actually yes. All of the negative symptoms of these disorders stem from the root of fear and the acting out behaviors are all those which were stated in the original post. Fear underlines all disorders - there is nothing else that wreaks havoc and destruction in the soul, body and mind like fear. It tears aways at the fabric of esteem and it breaks the soul in to fragments - aka mental illness.


You're not describing mental illness, Yoda, you're describing traits that everyone can exhibit; add in the reference to "soul" and you're entering the land of mumbojumbo (see: a subjective opinion).

I've got plenty of fear, perhaps more than a solitary human should feel: I ain't a "'...rageaholics, alcoholics, criminals, borlderline personality types, cruel, demeaning, blaming, victimizing, abusive, punishing?'" I'm sarcastic, but that's due to autism and my search to "fit in", I use sarcasm as a means of interaction. Those who're mentally ill are prone to be victims of abuse for the simple reason that they can be too trusting of "normal" people.

To lump victims of abuse into the category of your notion that's mental illness is telling.


Well said. I have suffered from depression and I have generalised anxiety and OCD traits. I'm not a "'...rageaholics, alcoholics, criminals, borlderline personality types, cruel, demeaning, blaming, victimizing, abusive, punishing?'. I'm somewhat offended that you would characterise me as such simply because I've had mental issues. It's as ridiculous as saying that all people with physical illnesses will exhibit the same profile of traits.


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08 Nov 2007, 5:20 am

I think you'd have to be mentally ill to even want to be a parent.


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08 Nov 2007, 5:30 am

Danielismyname wrote:
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sar·casm (sär'kăz'əm)
n.
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
The use of sarcasm. See synonyms at wit1.

[Late Latin sarcasmus, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein, to bite the lips in rage, from sarx, sark-, flesh.]


http://www.answers.com/topic/sarcasm

What's making you rageful is making me wonder. And that wonder is combined with sadness in knowing that the world has proven to be such a harsh place for you to employ this tactic against someone you don't even know and probably never will at the rate you're going.

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08 Nov 2007, 5:42 am

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Well said. I have suffered from depression and I have generalised anxiety and OCD traits. I'm not a "'...rageaholics, alcoholics, criminals, borlderline personality types, cruel, demeaning, blaming, victimizing, abusive, punishing?'. I'm somewhat offended that you would characterise me as such simply because I've had mental issues. It's as ridiculous as saying that all people with physical illnesses will exhibit the same profile of traits.


Depression is anger (fear at the core) towards oneself, for feeling a feeling - stemming from an original experience that is so primal, raw and horrific that one simply cannot embrace it psychically or process it rationally, so it filters down into an impulse of rage and since this rage is felt towards a significant other - and that rage is NOT allowed to be expressed lest one be annihilated, the rage and grief (a by product) then is directed towards oneself, as jury, judge and executioner carrying out a sentence of self-torture. The symptomology goes way beyond the apparent behavior - but is also expressed in genetic patterning, where the cell becomes contracted and the neurotransmitter releases excessive amounts of adrenaline and cortisole, disallowing oxytocin (love hormone/neurotransmitter) to flow thus inhibiting well-being, acceptance, open-ness and sharing, reinforcing over and over the cycle of depression/anger/grief until - awareness sets in and the cycle is corrected.

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08 Nov 2007, 5:51 am

jjstar wrote:
What's making you rageful is making me wonder.


See: wit.

No point in deflecting blows to a part of the body that's equally vulnerable.

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n. Any of various conditions characterized by impairment of an individual's normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning, and caused by social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors, such as infection or head trauma. Also called emotional illness, mental disease, mental disorder.


Borderline personality disorder is a mental illness, so is conduct disorder (there's two).

I've seen perfectly "normal" people exhibit rage, derision, hate, scorn; demeaning, blaming, victimizing, abusive and punishing behavior. Interestingly enough, it's the "normal" people that have filled me with rage, not those who're mentally ill.



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08 Nov 2007, 5:54 am

Danielismyname wrote:
jjstar wrote:
What's making you rageful is making me wonder.


See: wit.

No point in deflecting blows to a part of the body that's equally vulnerable.

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mental illness
n. Any of various conditions characterized by impairment of an individual's normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning, and caused by social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors, such as infection or head trauma. Also called emotional illness, mental disease, mental disorder.


Borderline personality disorder is a mental illness, so is conduct disorder (there's two).

I've seen perfectly "normal" people exhibit rage, derision, hate, scorn; demeaning, blaming, victimizing, abusive and punishing behavior. Interestingly enough, it's the "normal" people that have filled me with rage, not those who're mentally ill.


Life is not a battle ground. It's a nightmare that has one thinking it is - not life.


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