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Kevin how can you possibly tell somebody after reading a post of theirs on a website that they are not functional in society? Why do you think you know what other people here need to do in their lives? To say that people with AS are oddballs, thats stereotyping.

Don't judge people on you assumptions please get the facts. -you don't have all the answers

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2ukenkerl: well, considering you shoot down someone who is encouraging you to y'know, IMPROVE yourself. I see nothing in Kevin's posts of absolution, only a solution to the social problems that so many aspies write lengthy diatribes about. Your initial reply is that he is some way deluded and that his ten years of trying to improve himself like all aspies should has been less than fruitless. People with Asperger's syndrome have just that, a syndrome. an illness, a defect. something to either overcome or indulge. Most people with AS I've seen do the latter, and it sickens me. Yes, there are benefits, but the overriding 'in the box' thinking will only lead to segregation and further rideculing and isolation. I learned this years ago, and Now I have overcome my social inhibitions and am a better person than I was 3 years ago. why is it that I've put in so much effort to improve yet other are happy to wallow in their shallowmindedness?
It infuriates me.

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Asperger Syndrome is not an illness and to say its a defect is questionable.

you over came your social inhibition good for you, but social inhibition is not asperger's syndrome.

There are some people with asperger's who are naturally outgoing.

you can overcome anxiety but that does not meen that you dont have asperger's syndrome any more. They are too different things.

you are the one who sounds shallow. why do you assume that you are something special and other people here have not made an effort to improve their lives?

OH, OK! So if a criminal comes in, in the middle of the night, you shouldn't shoot him because he "is encouraging you to y'know, IMPROVE" your security! YEAH, we ALL know that to fit in you must fit in! A ALWAYS equals A! That is NO solution AT ALL! In algebra, a variable ALWAYS must equal something ELSE to be a solution!! !! ! And I HAVE put in time and money to help myself also. There IS a reason why I am a bit misanthropic! And I am sure it is the same as most here!

One of my pet peaves is one that says s/he has the answer and is clearly WRONG about the problem, or doesn't give one. I have a feeling you belong to BOTH groups!

Okay, so I've tinkered a little with Kevin's post. My bad. But I wanted to highlight how ridiculous is this idea of Aspergeans becoming NTs.

Not possible. Asperger's is no more an illness or a defect than homosexuality.

It is possible to fake it for a while, and I do quite a good fake NT when I have to, but it's not who I really am. It takes a lot of effort to constantly watch myself and I have a little voice in my head which tells me what non-verbal communication I should be performing at any given time, rather like a tv producer giving directions to a live-tv presenter in their earpiece. It's lovely when I can be by myself and dispense with the voice.

I've been odd all my life, and don't know of any other way to be and still retain my sanity. That's too bad for me because it means my circle of friends is small and it takes a time for me to build friendships. But it's not all rosy in the NT world, either. Whether AS or NT, gay or straight, rich or poor, it's part of the human condition to have problems and for the grass to be greener on the other side of the fence. I have NT friends who envy me my solitude and what they see as my refusal to be part of the sheeple herd. They don't know I have AS as I'm undiagnosed, and that it takes an effort to be any other way. To them I have strength of character

It's up to each individual, AS or NT or generic unspecified weirdo (like me), to make what they can of their lives. For some that will mean finding a way to mitigate poor social communication skills, but not everyone has to be the life and soul of a party.

Why can't we just celebrate our differences? Why should we all have to conform? After all the autism spectrum is pretty extensive, as is that of the NTs.

(I wonder if my opinion makes me one of 2ukenkerl's "pet peaves"...... )

Naw, You're good! You didn't claim to have a solution! Frankly, you said what I have been saying about this since I came here.

One day, my brothers, we will break free from the reigns of NT oppression and create a new state for ourselves! One day, our dreams will come to fruitition and we will rise up and take what is ours! One day, the current status quo will be no more! I have a dream, brothers, that aspies and NTs will be able to walk together and dine at the table of eternal brotherhood, tolerance, and freedom!

Lulz.

you know, that;'s a really, really bad analagy. Firstly nobody breaks into someone's house simply to tell people to improve their security. Secondly, I completly condone the use of In fact, let me turn your own analagy against you. If you leave all your windows and doors wide open and all your cash and valuables in pain sight, you can expect to be burgled. If you have a disorder that affects your social functioning and communication abilities, you can expect to be ridiculed. you yourself stated that you have been ridiculed by your co-workers, yet you don't seem to want to learn neurotypical behavior. that's like sticking your hand onto a hot stove and then screaming about how painful it is. you could always just, y'know, take your hand off and stop the pain.
One of my NT friend says your analagy is like saying serial killers shouldn't be imprisoned because they're encouraging people to live. I'm not quite sure what he means, but it sounds along the right lines.



there's a fine line between indeviduality and seperatism. You say you do not wish to be NT for reasons that show you consider them to be below you. I have the best of both worlds, and it's much nicer than being one or the other.



Yes, A does equal A, I've never seen A be C, or E or F. A spade is a spade whatever you call it.



The solution to overcoming Autism is more than jsut a set of instructions. it's a mindset, it's a way of thinking. trying to explain it to an autistic person is like trying to explain the concept of the internet to a caveman.



Life doesn't mimic algebra. Again, you're thinking in very rigid terms.



judging from the views you've expressed you've still got a hell of a long way to go.



a lot of people here have seperationist attitudes. The majority isn't always right. Eat s**t, a billion flies can't be wrong.

as I said, the answer is not black and white, it is a personal discovery that people are too lazy or shortsighted to find it. But considering that I have above average liguistic ability, an understanding of basic psychology and non-verbal communication, the ability to talk to complete strangers in the flesh and get them to open up with relative ease, have a lot of close, intelligent NT friends, plus the fact that I have not been ridiculed since I left school while your problems still persist, I think I must be doing something right.

I know there have been several wonderful page long responses on this, but frankly, I can't help myself with this either.

Trying to change yourself into being an NT instead of an Aspie is like trying to change your gender; both are genetic, and you can't be the opposite gender anymore than you can change the X/Y chromosome in your genes. Which is why the only thing left to do is to know and accept yourself for what you are, since you can't change that. The only reason people say they shouldn't accept themselves and try to be more like other people is because they don't have a mind of their own. They have a sheep mentality and fear being anything else because society pressures them. Do you seriously believe that being like other people will help you get a better job? You will stand out less if you do. And no one will hire you if you don't stand out. You'll just be another application gone down the trash bin like almost every other NT with no special merits.

You may believe that we might be able to remove some of the conditions of being an Aspie, but on the contrary, they will never disappear. We may have to be told about social cues and learn to recognize them, which don't come second nature to us, but we will always end up reminding ourselves that we must see those things--this comes naturally to everyone else. It will never be natural to us. We will always prefer loneliness to people, obsessions to others and literal interpretations to non literal ones. That is our nature, and no matter how much you try to hide or change it, it will always exist.

hahaha

Ah, but most gays don't claim that they're superior to straight people, constantly talk about how it's better to be gay than straight, and stereotype Heterosexuality with their prejudices and say that should not have anything to do with straight people and only talk to other gays.

to be honest, I don't personally think you have the right to defy the diagnosis of autism as a mental and neural deficit by health professionals when you yourself have not been diagnosed.

there's celebrating yourself, and then there's alienating themselves from the norm and demonising it. I've seen as many people on this forum condemn NTs in some form or other as I've seen people ridicule the illness on the internet. The unknown breeds fear and prejudice. Aspies criticize NT without understanding them. they are alien to you as you are to them. As such, there reactions are unknowing hypocrisy.

then why is it called a syndrome?

Okay so maybe I say aspergers when infact I mean the social deficit side of it. I have noticed though that there are problems with perception. I think it is technically a defect, just as deafness and blindness is. I say this as someone who is considered disabled. it doesn't have to make you les of a person, but I have seen people on this forum you use it as a crutch.

me being one of them, but you don't see me constantly compalining about how terrible anyone who hasn't got aspergers is.

Again, I am not saying that you can magically make the illness disappear. going back to the blind/deaf analagy, just becuase you have a problem, you don't have to let it cripple you and you can live a full life, but at the same time you can also jsut do nothing but moan about how you can't see/hear.


examples please.
I actually don't, I just get angry with people who act like NT are lesser than they are. Remember, I started posting in this thread to defend KevinLA, who I felt had the right idea and yet everyone shot him down for suggesting people adapt.

The mistake I think KevinLA made is in suggesting that people have to become NT in order to be successful. I agree that people shouldn't wallow in their Aspie-ness and use it as an excuse, but I also believe that you can only change so much, or "fake" so much.

Niebuhr: "God, give us the grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things which should be changed, and the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other."

If you don't believe in God, just take out "God."

well being disabled and living off benefits, I dont' give much but my family gives money to the hospice that cared for my mother when she was dying of cancer. How's that?

As for achievements, I have a Diploma in Performing Arts, I have won awards for my acting ability, I have been an extra in movies, I have written poems, prose and plays, and I have almost reached the 100,000 word mark on my epic fiction project that I have dovoted the last 7 years of my life to.

Is that enough?

This was SO wrong, I HAD to speak up! A ALWAYS has to equal something else to be a solution. Sometimes A DOES equal C, or e or f!! !!

I guess you never took algebra. The whole point of algebra is to find A, X or whatever! In other words, make it equal to something else!