Can we still be considered of the human species?

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remember, just because their flaws are apparent to you, doesn't mean it is to them.

Makes me feel sad about just how much some people are missing out when it comes to us... I mean in the case of like the ones who form stuff with people who feel no real connection with their partner and that sorta thing. This is by no means a generalization, but when I see some in College and know their character and that, a lot of them, but certainly not all of them - I think secretly to myself 'You don't want this stuff as much as me and you're not as serious about it as I am... sad how you get it and I don't'. If this makes sense.

Naw... I have taken a few bio classes, we are the same human species because we can reporduce with NT's.

Im sure this was written all over this thread, but I have not much time left, and wanna be on here as long as possible b4 I must leave tonight

As far as linieage goes, yes there actually are family lines with much Aspergers in them. And the rates are high in areas like the silicon valley (computer nerd's marry other computer nerds there and have computer nerd kids). In response to a post on the first page, no, rates are not going up, diagnosis' are going up.

Let me tell you something: I NEED relationships. I did not for a long time, at least with my family. But that was with my family, I desperately needed friendships. After high school I decided that I did not need relationships whatsoever out of frustration, in order to rationalize myself, turn off feelings.

Then I finally broke down and lost it. I'd been telling myself I didn't need them for so long because I didn't have them, and it finally hit me that a part of my life was missing.

A very frustrating part of it is that we often need relationships but don't know how to. I get picky and sensitive and analytical about relationships to the point where I have a hard time getting past these things--yet I desperately want and need to. I know I want it because I finally meet people that I understand and there is no awkwardness or anything. They are rare, but I thought they didn' exist before

Well, sorry to dive straight in like this... (NT Mask off)

We are talking about a very slim band, here. Genetics is a nasty thing (when it goes wrong, that is) and so the amount of people that would fit in that band is very small.

On the other hand, you may argue that we are recurrent, I beleive I read something about a high chance of aspergers being passed on to children.

You could also argue that we are the 'next step' in evoloution; socoity needs a workforce, and me thinks we fit it nicely

By the by, a scientist (details unclear, as i've only just learnt this from my Prof) got a pack of silver wolves, within 20 years, they were no longer silver, had black and white spots, floopy ears.....evoloution dosent take that long....


Homo Aspergis, anyone? :p

Homo Aspergis....
Sounds kind of like asparagus.
But hey, that's better than a** burgers

Neurotypicals carry the seeds of Asperger within them. And vice-versa.

I remember coming home from school one day as a snotty 13-year-old, chock-full of attitude, and announcing to my mother that friendships were overrated; and that I personally had decided to give up on the "friend" concept altogether. She didn't contradict me, but now I wish she had. It would have saved me trouble later on.

i've been thinking on this a bit and i have come to the conclusion that we need relationships. Although we need them we dont need to be around the particular person 24/7. we somtimes need space away from the person but we still enjoy and desire thier company and friendship. we just need people who are unbiased and understanding especially if we tell them we have AS.

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Defining a human being is no easy task. I wonder if the average NT on the street knows what a human being is.

I am not sure defining an individual is, either. As a person living on the Autism Spectrum I can't be reduced to an essence any more than someone living on the Neurotypical Spectrum.

All humans share characteristics. No human can exist in total isolation from another. At some point even a hermit has to come out of isolation to stock up on the rudiments of existence, even if he/she lives off the land. Whether we like it or not, we are all influenced by each other. Only the most warped of human beings would refuse to help someone in real trouble. (Of course we have enough of those around.)

The point I am making is that all humans, whether they agree or not, need some sort of relationship with others in order to survive at all. The difference in the wanting or needing the relationship is one of degree or type. Many of us Autists and Aspergians are wary of close human relationships because we have suffered rejection and/or loss. Maybe we prefer animals/pets. It makes sense that many of us are wary and fear to trust and who can go it alone. I have never in my entire life had a friend. I have three children. I have no desire for a live-in significant other. Some do not even want children and live alone, and are happy this way. That is their choice, and one that I will be making once the last of my children has left home. But
I will not be truly alone because I will still be needing the
necessities of survival, courtesy of other human beings. I will certainly want a pet. Living on this wrong planet (the website too) means availing ourselves of the fruits of human contact, limited or not.

The only way to be completely free of the need for anything beyond the self is to die, and even then many humans throughout history have been buried with loved ones, possessions, and in groups called cemeteries near living human communities, to be remembered after death.

Sleepydragon wrote that Neurotypicals carry the seeds of Asperger's within them, and vide versa. How true. My Asperger's is just a different environmental expression of my individual human genome. And each expression is different, and still human.

I dont think its a new species. But i do think that animals could have as/autism in the same way humans can. its a pity they cant really get helped...or understand though.
Good theorys though.

interesting