Taking Part in the Greatest Medical Hoax in History

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02 Dec 2007, 11:45 am

I believe that the first case someone could say autism pressented itself in would be Michelangelo. He was brilliant, withdrawn, headstrong, and naive in his youth. Not sure if he stemmed or not, but the mental state of mind is definatly present.

also, don't be so condensending. You can disagree and still be polite.

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A very, very long time, EH?
What is a long time? Like before the common era? Or maybe since the Renaissance? What's a *long time*? Can you please specify how LONG autism and its spectrums have been known to mankind? I will gladly nominate you for a Nobel in Science once you do so.

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Because, jjstar, autism has been around for a very, very long time, and no one is sure what causes it. These consperecies you look up are part of a mindset that things have to be done to you, stuff can't just happen. It's paranoia.



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02 Dec 2007, 11:49 am

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Actually, I'm not so sure some autism isn't induced by vaccines (more specifically the gunk they contain)...


Of course Mercury is the culprit. But you don't want to go around saying that out loud around these parts, lest thy be branded a *conspiracy theorist*.


jjstar, look at the difference between you two. She said some autism may be linked to this. You say all autism is linked to mercury, and it was done on purpose. She posted her opinion in an objective manner, while you call anyone who disagrees with you 'sheeple's' or 'criminals'.

Also, havn't we already established that ethylmercury doesn't bioaccumulate, and that countries that never used mercury-containing vaccines have just as many, if not more people being diagnosed on the spectrum.



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02 Dec 2007, 11:53 am

I wouldn't say it is in all cases; I know a lot of people on here have it in their families, and it certainly runs in mine, so it'd be naive to say that all autism is mercury-induced. Plus it HAS been around for a looong time. (Mind you, mercury was used to treat just about everything in the past 2000 years...). I just think that it's worth a proper, independent, non-industry-funded investigation as there are a lot of people who say their children 'turned autistic' after vaccines. It's also fast on the rise, so clearly something is going on.

I don't particularly think it's just the thimerosal that's the problem though; there's everything else in it as well. Engine degreaser, embalming fluid, aluminium, aborted fetal cells...



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02 Dec 2007, 12:38 pm

The History of Autism

In 1908, Eugen Bleuler coined the word "autism" in schizophrenic patients who screened themselves off and were self-absorbed.

In 1943, the American child psychiatrist Leo Kanner described 11 children with the following common traits: impairments in social interaction, anguish for changes, good memory, belated echolalia, over sensitivity to certain stimuli (especially sound), food problems, limitations in spontaneous activity, good intellectual potential, often coming from talented families. He called the children autistic.

In 1944, Hans Asperger, independent of Kanner, wrote about a group of children he called autistic psychopaths. In most aspects they resembled the children of Kanner's description. The difference was that he did not mention echolalia as a linguistic problem but that the children talked like little grown-ups. In addition he mentioned their motor activity which was more clumsy and different from normal children.

Bruno Bettelheim wrote about three therapy sessions with children in The Empty Fortress. He called them autistic and claimed that their disorder was due to the coldness of their mothers. He totally disengaged the parents from the children's therapy.

The work of Asperger did not become known until the end of the 1980s when his book was translated into English. Kanner's and Bettelheim's work were quite often confused and it was generally accepted that autistic children had frigid mothers.

In the 70s, knowledge of autism begun to spread to Sweden. The Erica Foundation started education and therapy for psychotic children in the beginning of the 80s. The first autistic classes within special education were started in the middle of the 70s.

For a very long time, autism and psychosis continued to be confused and to this day parents are accused of causing the serious disabilities their autistic children have.

For many years, researchers searched for the underlying cause of contact and language disorders, but they realized that the disability was more complex. There was no single, basic cause.

In the 80s, autism research accelerated and more and more researchers became convinced that the basic reasons were to be found in neurological disturbances, sometimes combined with hereditary illnesses like tuberous sclerosis, metabolic disturbances like PKU or chromosomal aberrations such as fragile X-chromosome.

Seems all pretty recent. So much for being a *historic* phenomena. Pch. I can't WAIT till the news emerges about how all of the sufferers of this disorder were MADE THIS WAY due to one factor and one factor ONLY - Mercury. End of story. Don't like? Don't reply. Have a nice day.


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02 Dec 2007, 12:42 pm

Goche21 wrote:
I believe that the first case someone could say autism pressented itself in would be Michelangelo.


Yeah. Michaelangelo. With all the MERCURY he ingested via his work it wouldn't surprise me in the least!



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02 Dec 2007, 12:51 pm

Of course those are all recent; there has only ever been a term for it since then. Autism didn't just suddenly appear in 1908 when some bloke came up with a word. I firmly believe there have been people throughout history who would have been classed as Autistic/AS had they been around today - probably called 'introverts', 'weirdos', 'eccentrics', 'genius', etc in their time instead.



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02 Dec 2007, 12:58 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
Of course those are all recent; there has only ever been a term for it since then. Autism didn't just suddenly appear in 1908 when some bloke came up with a word. I firmly believe there have been people throughout history who would have been classed as Autistic/AS had they been around today - probably called 'introverts', 'weirdos', 'eccentrics', 'genius', etc in their time instead.



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02 Dec 2007, 1:16 pm

I don't quite see what your point is...

(I'm a classical pianist and art historian by the way so I've a fair idea of these 'tortured artists'! !)



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02 Dec 2007, 3:13 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
Of course those are all recent; there has only ever been a term for it since then. Autism didn't just suddenly appear in 1908 when some bloke came up with a word. I firmly believe there have been people throughout history who would have been classed as Autistic/AS had they been around today - probably called 'introverts', 'weirdos', 'eccentrics', 'genius', etc in their time instead.

Exactly.
Can anyone prove that ASD's haven't been around since the dawn of human history?



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02 Dec 2007, 3:31 pm

Is anyone else here having problems figuring out which point the burden of proof rests on?(eg. whether one should prove autism has been around since the dawn of mankind or whether one should disprove whether it has been induced by man in recent times?)



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02 Dec 2007, 3:41 pm

Or perhaps it's just the next stage in human evolution?? ;)



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02 Dec 2007, 11:35 pm

scumsuckingdouchebag wrote:
Is anyone else here having problems figuring out which point the burden of proof rests on?(eg. whether one should prove autism has been around since the dawn of mankind or whether one should disprove whether it has been induced by man in recent times?)


Hmm? I didn't realise it was one way or the other, the first "Theory" is a load of feel good stories, and the other is a load of alarmist stories. Just two sides of the same heap.


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03 Dec 2007, 3:32 am

Autism was probably just the Town Lunatic before. ;)



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03 Dec 2007, 3:53 am

jjstar wrote:
... what makes anyone so certain that the roots of AUTISM can't be traced back to a laboratory, a vial and a hyperdermic needle?


Autism doesn't 'spread' like a disease. You could off course assume a worldwide conspiracy where doctors from all over the world inject pregnant women and/or their children to induce autism.

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What is a long time?

There is, for instance, a well documented court case that describes an autistic man somewhere in the first part of the 18th century.

But don't turn it around, if you think there's a worldwide conspiracy to induce autism, prove it.



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03 Dec 2007, 4:08 am

scumsuckingdouchebag wrote:
Is anyone else here having problems figuring out which point the burden of proof rests on?(eg. whether one should prove autism has been around since the dawn of mankind or whether one should disprove whether it has been induced by man in recent times?)


We might go back to an idea by the Brothers Grimm and look at the stories people used to tell their children. Some concerned people who kept to themselves because of poor social skills. Often they had good ideas that most people didn't readily grasp, and would save the day with some left-field thinking. Then everyone found out the oddball wasn't so bad, after all and accepted him/her as one of the group. These stories are hundreds of years old.

BTW, painters used to use pigments with other heavy metals like lead (white) and cadmium (yellow). Goodness knows what Michaelangelo swallowed.


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03 Dec 2007, 8:16 am

MICHELANGELO Return to TOC

A Brilliant Sculptor and Painter Who Projected His Own Illnesses Into His Sculpture and Paintings

Michelangelo Buonarroti (1475–1564) was born in March 1475 in Caprese, Tuscany. He lived and worked for nearly a century and worked continuously until 6 days before his death. He was considered to be a Renaissance man. He depicted a number of his mental and physical conditions in his paintings and sculpture, as did subsequent painters hundreds of years later.

Michelangelo developed various illnesses during his lifetime. Michelangelo's right knee was swollen and deformed by gout, which is depicted in a fresco by Raphael (Figure 3, A and B ). This painting is present in the Vatican and was commissioned by Pope Julius II when Michelangelo was known to be on site at the Vatican completing his paintings on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo is shown with a gouty, deformed right knee.7 Michelangelo suffered from gout caused by elevated serum uric acid, and his stone formation may have been urate urolithiasis.

Michelangelo stated that he had kidney and urinary bladder calculi throughout his life. In 1549, he had an episode of anuria, which was followed by the passing of gravel and stone fragments. In Michelangelo's case, gout might have explained the gravel in his urine. Plumbism should be considered as a possible cause for gout. Obsessed with his work, Michelangelo would go for days on a diet of bread and wine. At that time, wine was processed in lead containers. He might also have been exposed to lead-based paints. The fruit acids of wine, chiefly tartaric contained in crocks, are excellent solvents of lead in crocks coated with lead glaze. The wine thus contained high levels of lead. Lead injures the kidneys, inhibiting the excretion of uric acid and resulting in increased serum uric acid and gout. If a modern clinical chemistry laboratory had existed during Michelangelo's lifetime, his serum uric acid might have been found to be elevated. His urine might have contained excessive uric acid with uric acid calculi, as well as excessive lead levels. A modern clinical chemistry laboratory detects and quantitates serum uric acid with the uricase procedure. Uric acid urinary calculi are associated with needlelike, nonbirefringent crystals in the urine. Thus, Michelangelo may have suffered from saturnine gout.

Michelangelo also suffered from a number of illnesses besides gout. It was also known that he suffered from depression. He exhibited the signs and symptoms of a bipolar manic-depressive illness. He painted more than 400 figures on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel from 1508 to 1512. His paintings mirror his depression. Features of melancholy appear in the painting of Jeremiah in the Sistine Chapel. Modern medicine has confirmed that manic-depressive illness and creativity tend to run in certain families. Studies of twins provide strong evidence for the heritability of manic-depressive illness. If an identical twin has manic-depressive illness, the other twin has a 70% to 100% chance of also having the disease; if the other twin is fraternal, the chances are considerably lower (approximately 20%). A review of identical twins reared apart from birth, in which at least one of the twins had been diagnosed as manic-depressive, found that in two-thirds or more of the cases the sets were concordant for the illness. If lithium carbonate had been available in the 16th century, it might have helped Michelangelo's depression if he suffered from a bipolar illness, and a clinical chemistry laboratory could have monitored serum lithium levels.

Michelangelo dissected numerous human bodies, beginning at the age of 18 years. The dissections occurred in the monastery of Santo Spirato in Florence, where the corpses originated from various hospitals. The anatomic accuracy of his figures is due to his dissection and his observations. In the painting The Creation of Adam (Figure 4 ) in the Sistine Chapel, an irregular circular structure appears surrounding God and the angels. One interpretation of the irregular circular structure is compatible with the shape of the human brain.8 However, others disagree and believe the circular structure surrounding God and the angels represents the human heart. At the left of the circle there is a cleavage, possibly separating the right and left ventricles. At the top right is a tubular structure, which may represent the aorta exiting from the left ventricle. Thus, the speculation persists that if it represents a brain, it suggests that God is giving Adam an intellect or a soul. If it is a representation of a heart, God is initiating in Adam the beginning of a cardiovascular system and life, and is thereby giving Adam the “spark of life.”

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