Severe PDD-NOS or LFA/HFA, Whats the difference?

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Growing up I was thought to be ret*d because of delayed speech, motor habits (stimming), and poor coordination.
Eventually I was reading some three to four years beyond my grade level in school. Most of the doctors I had to deal
with were either Freudian hacks or Behaviorists.

WOW, You misunderstood. I didn't say you ARE LFA! From what you say HERE, in fact, you seem to function FINE! I have seen "normal" people that write far worse than you even. So why does you psychiatrist think you are so bad?

I really dont know why, maybe because im a wreck in person haha, if u met me in person u would so think i had a 3 yr old controlling me haha, just the other day i went to the dentist, a specialised dentist who specializes in disabilities, and on my file it says known to bite lol, well yea i bit him lol, then pulled the assitants hair lol, luckily they both smiled and went on with the procedure haha. I really do think sometimes im lfa, but hfa def fits me to a t otherwise hehe

OK, YOU WIN! I don't know enough about all this anyway. I feel almost like the little boy in AI! I SEEM normal, and always thought I was, even IF I WAS a bit wierd. Suddenly, I find I am part of a "culture" of people that are like me, and some are very different. Some I can relate to and some I can't.

I have, at times, acted like a kid, and can maybe understand the idea of being carefree, etc... Still, I wonder! If you could control it, KNEW you were biting, and could avoid it, are you STILL acting LFA?

The biting ive always had problems with, i wish i was acting, its funny at times, but like if anything comes near my mouth i bite, drs told me i do it for sensory. I really dont know why. I literally bit everything, phones, pillows, walls, tables, chairs, and other things, i wish i could stop it...

I agree. There is a LOT of difference between the various members of the board here - are they all lying? Hell no.

It's weird, I have crap eyesight but excellent hand-eye coordination; I've found that those with better eyesight are better at math, but lack in sports. Both things are "spatial", but different manifestations thereof.

I think this whole "diagnosis" debacle detracts from the main point. It would seem that having an extraordinary advantage in one area (in my case, hand-eye) detracts from your ability to flex those traits in the "flip side" of that trait (my crappy math and drawing skills).

I don't tend to delineate people on the Autistic Spectrum as AS or "classically autistic" or whatever, I just recognize that they are "on the spectrum", and I let the details speak for themselves. People are what they are, and when doctors try and diagnose, what they are doing is taking this artificial designation, and seeing if the real person "fits" into this pre-existing mold. These classifications and false taxonomies are not for our benefit, but for the benefit of the doctors.

I tend to think that those who show less "functioning" (a relative term indeed) are most likely the most able in other areas. A low IQ score is not necessarily an indicator of non-intelligence, it might simply mean that the test taker does not understand the question or has no "normal" way of providing the answer.

I think "aspies" are well-suited to act as interpreters for those considered more "classically autistic".

I think that the doctors are trying to treat qualities as quantities, which doesn't seem to work all that well.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/may04/math.html

But a new study suggests that, whatever their ultimate cause, differences in brain activity between mathematically gifted and nongifted students do exist, even at a relatively young age. The study, published in Neuropsychology (Vol. 18, No. 2), was authored by cognitive psychologists Harnam Singh, PhD, a researcher at the U.S. Army Research Institute for the Behavioral and Social Sciences in Fort Benning, Ga., and Michael O'Boyle, PhD, a psychology professor at the University of Melbourne.

And another link:

Study: Improved Mental Rotation by Near-Sighted Subjects



I read of these things about two months ago.

WOW, Oh well, I guess I don't want to get on YOUR bad side! Who knows, maybe your mouth is like my eyes. I can NOT hold my eyes open if something gets too close.

Age1600,
am like that to [but don't bite any other flesh but own] if not done yet,am recommend computer game cases [the ps2/xbox/dvd type cases,not the easy shatter ones like dreamcast,they don't feel good] for a good tactile hit.
the other lady who lives here [aspie] is the same,was told recently she eats her s**t and glass for tactile/taste reasons,and not always just for attention seeking.

Last edited by KingdomOfRats on 03 Dec 2007, 9:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I'm a biter.

PDD-NOS just means the individuals in question don't meet the full criteria for autistic disorder, but they're still clearly autistic.

Concerning intelligence:

A study of those with autism without mental retardation found that 12% go on to live independently ("normal"); a study where LFA/HFA were both included found that the number is 4%.

Obviously, a higher level of intelligence will have a better outcome; said statistics show the severity of the disorder even in those with a normal cognitive pattern.

There's members here who're probably classed as HFA, but there's no way they can be deemed "high-functioning" when looked at objectively.

WOW, That is pretty DAMNING! 12%!?!?!? Are you SURE it wasn't 72%, or even 87%?

Of course, the increase in autism is almost certainly due to more capable people being included.

Nah, it's 12% for all of autistic disorder (LFA/HFA), that's "normal" functioning, i.e., no assistance needed for work and living arrangements.

The figure is 40% for Asperger's.

Thanks!

Autism is categorized by having 6 impairments in
social interaction (social behavior/social understanding) (empathy). 2
social communication (communication/speech whether it's non-verbal or verbal) 3
stereotyped behaviour (behaviour) 1
=autism
social interaction (social behavior/social understanding (empathy). 2
social communication (communication/speech whether it's non-verbal or verbal) 2
stereotyped behaviour (behaviour) 1
=pdd-nos
In order to have autism you must have all 6. However if one's look's like this.
social interaction (social behavior/social understanding (empathy). 2
stereotyped behaviour (behaviour) 1
Than it's aspergers cause there is no speech delays.
If it's like this.
If it looks like this
Social 4
=pdd-nos
Communication 3
=pdd-nos
behaviour 6
=autism

Social 1
Communication 1
behaviour 3
Not enough must total six so it's pdd-nos. Severe form to moderate to mild on symptons however.

Social 3
Communication 3
= pdd-nos again.
no stereotypical behaviour sort of odd if you ask me.


* Social is known as social behaviour are behaviours within a social situation and understanding one's feelings.
Communication also known as social communication reading facial expressions and body language and language maybe like english such as writing how we express ourselves when we write with words verbalizing such as online and verbalizing in person.
Behaviour
So this is what you have with autism you have all these put together.
For me I have pdd-nos just admitting to what I have, I just have a social impairment however. I tend to act up in social situations and avoid them. I however since possessing communication skills can see through things however my person who diagnosed me told me I might have communication in behaviour since communication can be classified as communication behaviour which can be applied in social behaviour use. Communication behaviour is letting the other person talk assertive, agressive and submissive however are the only one's that can be used. I can't wait to get communication therapy for oral communication however I feel socially enept 85 percent of the time and the other 15 percent of the time I can talk and make friends however since I have been feeling so enept even through the keyboard I don't really socialize anymore though in the past I did I made friends and all, however those days are over for me.

Maybe she can't communicate with verbal communication however verbal could be understanding figures of speech maybe she has problems with figures of speech or non-verbal communication such as body language it could possibly be like this.
Social - Eye contact
Communication - Non-verbal communication
Stereotyped Behaviour - Self-injury/sameness
Please excuse my bad writing lately I have been feeling enept and you know how bad that can feel .
However when I come back from social communication therapy I will sound a lot better since writing and socializing are the same. However there is something called social rules and I will be hitting what I got socially, like the person said for me, developing socially is like me waking up in China from english to a second language. However my pdd-nos is mild. Well anyways bye.

wow never thought i see this post again haha, my diagnosis was changed, its not severe pddnos anymore jus autism, but it always gets me wondering if i would fit the severe pddnos label better. I dont really have eye contact, actually its funny i thought i did great eye contact, until i was telling my mother about how some autistic behaviors like lack of eye contact for example i can do and dont have, that she looked at me and was like r u serious, you barely give me eye contact, it seems you can give it maybe a hour out of the day thats all. I'm like wow, sometimes you just dont know how autism affects say sometimes until somebody points out more behaviors. Anyways thanks for bringing this post back up, sorta refreshing in a way reading my old posts hehe, and I'm sorry you have been feeling enept, hope you feel better soon.