Deja-Vu Experiences

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I think that if you have issues with bipolar and/or anxiety then taking ecstacy is a very bad idea because of the highs and lows involved. Taking SSRI's was neccesary for me when i did because of my rapidly deterioating feelings, at one point i couldnt read or pay attention to anything or feel anything but numbness, confusion, anger and depression. I probably should have went on them before. They put me on an even keel but i am glad i eventually stopped taking them because they started to numb my emotions leading me to want to take more to feel the same feelings of satisfaction they gave me before and stopped me thinking clearly. Funny because when i started taking them it helped clear my mind. I try to exercise now and take St Johns wart to keep my mood in check and have an odd drink now and again for pressure release.

I have tried it a few times and the best way I can explain it is how I explained it in aspiemutant's thread about a hereafter. You're in this state where it feels like all your baggage, bad memories, motor memories, labels, stigmas, etc. are completely cut free, your completely free to just be yourself and have a good time, and yeah, there's that sensation like whatever your doing is almost of some epic, religious, and above this world kind of nature. If your at a party (I usually went to raves sober but NYE and 3-dayers I splurged here and there) it almost seems like when your looking at the dj's sillouette and he/she is spinnign some properly deep and dark techno or trance it's almost like they're a priest or shaman giving a spiritual sermon from the decks.

No, you don't believe this literally, you aren't literally believing that you and your friends are these hip-hop buddhist monks on an enlightened mission of life, ecstacy doesn't do anything of the sort to your sense of reality (that is unless your one of those people who really just doesn't practice psychological self-control whatsoever and almost any drug, even alcohol, would steal reality much more than E does). What it does though is put you in a state where you feel like your spirituality is intensely hightened, you feel much stronger platonic bonds with friends, and at worst if you let it mess with your head you might be nice to some stuck up punks who you really would rather not have been - if you have enough sense though you can sort that out just fine though.

I wouldn't recommend it to people just because, the aftermath lasts long enough that the second time I did it I was thinking "this is cool...but I'd rather be tripping, I'd get more mind involvement" and I was already weighing the fact that yeah, the next few weeks, although I'd live with it just fine, were gonna such for depression and anxiety - it ended up being the next few months since my levels were naturally that low. That and my second time I was up for 40 hours because the pill just wouldn't quit. Even worse, I had this girl who looked just like Sway from Gone in 60 Seconds flirting with me and really interested (she even had an awesome personality and attitude for an aspie guy to connect with) - I decided that I'd be better off going off on my own and introspecting on life as sober vs. rolling. Yeah, she did live a few miles farther away than what was practical but dammit, that was a heck of an opportunity to just run through like that.

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If you guys have a high proclivity to addiction I can imagine. Much of the time the reason why many people don't get addicted to the stuff is because it beats on em too much and a tolerance builds too fast and lasts too long for to be feasible (unless that is your a dealer or just have rich parents who hand off hundreds of dollars at a time without ever accounting for it). One of my friend's girlfriends was like that in terms of the parents and monsy situation and while luckily she never lost her head over it she did get up to a point where she was popping 7 pillsin one night. On the other hand, another girl who was a friend of my friend's wife went straight downhill on the stuff and went from being a pretty bright girl to where she'd be lucky if she can hold down a retail job. It effects people differently though and I guess I can count myself lucky that my body asserts itself over me on when to say when with stuff like that.

As for the effects and comparing it to alcohol, I was just saying that it has no such effect on lucidity while your up on it. The ironic thing is that coke and meth really don't either . It seems like the drugs that do the most brain damage seem to lend the most mild rides - that's a dangerous combination.

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Well, back to the original point though, those flashes of grand and epic things I get once in a great while are too momentary, too intense, and too fleeting to be mania, usually come on by what I was thinking rather than just on their own, and it's really nothing like rolling (though the minds eye perception of what I'm seeing I guess is kinda white-washed and spiritual like that).

I get these feelings a lot. It's like dejavu's spiritual cousin or something.
To quote a song lyric "time expands and then contracts again"

This is quite literally a type of ecstasy I believe, according to the Catholic church. Kerouac talked about this stuff in "On the Road" and probably some of his other books too.

In Buddhism the term that comes closest is Satori, though I think that is a little different.

I asked my doctor this very thing last week, plus, I asked him to explain what it is.

His answer was more confusing than De Ja Vu itself and went something like this (remember this is just his theory):

"You forgot something and then remembered what you forgot to forget."

My reply: "Great, I will be pondering that statement for the next two weeks."

Heck,yeah!All the time!Sometimes I see it in my DREAMS and it'll happen the next day.


-SpaceCase [/quote]

What's worse is dreaming that something happened and then feeling guilty about it when you wake up before you realize "I didn't do that."



That goes beyond philosphy and becomes poetic in its cynical facetiousness.



Did you mean to post that twice? If you did, hats off to you!



And your proof is- "I HAVE PIXIE DUST! AND A PAIR OF PANTS!"



I never knew that. Thank you for sharing; I never thought it might be due to a neurological process!



Coded: Whatever it is, enjoy it as much as you can.

Eamonn: I wonder if there's any causality in that, and if so, in what direction?



haha

I used to get deja vu every day, at least once, but not so much in the past couple of years. Maybe my brain is finally calming down a bit?

Bah! There's no such thing as deja-vu!

Bah! There's no such thing as deja-vu!

Sorry, i meant that on the tests have "shown" that the higher the scores for religious acceptance the lower the density of the seretonin receptors. The brain is notoriously tricky to study though. That is why it is near impossible to accurately test for ecstacy more than a couple of days after its taken due to the brain producing seretonin and dopamine anyway and some people have higher or lower levels and obviously the brain produces different levels at different times. Depression is commonly linked with low levels though mania and schizophrenia are linked with high and fluctuating levels of seretonin. Im not sure of the cause though.

What I find interesting is that bipolar disorder seems to be connected with creativity, and some of the greatest poets - and comedians - were completely wacko as well as depressed (like Spike Milligan).

On topic: I've heard that deja-vu has to do with the two halves of the brain processing the same thing at slightly different times. While the one half is processing it might ask the other half and be told that it's something you've already experienced.

I have had deja vu in the form of dreams.

The dreams come in advance some times in years advance.

Then when it happens I remember the dream.

It happens ever now and then.

That is how it happens with me.

For me I rarely remember most of my dreams when I wake up anymore but I do find a lot of times that my minds first instinct in rationalizing a deja vu moment is thinking "I think I dreampt about this and I think I dreampt of a very serious potential danger when I was doing or seeing this". Then again, my best guess is that it's a rationalization of something that really doesn't make sense, never the less I still choose to take it as a potential warning and still try to make sure I'm in the clear on whatever it is I'm doing at that moment just to watch my own back so to speak.