Evoplutionary Advantages and Disadvantages of Aspergers
I've wondered if most of the hunters who wandered off by themselves and found new trade routes and habitable land were Aspie.
Nature tries different things out. What works survives. Nothing personal.
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I think that's crediting the antelopes with a bit more intelligence than they really have.
I'm with Izaak for the most part.
I will add something, a lack of care for social conventions, as well as the inability to socialize will allow one to concentrate on a different set of answers to the same question. Attwood said something like this; we seek the factual truth at the expense of social standing/status.
It can help "normal" people to see different sides of questions from an opinion lacking in a social context, but most of us with a PDD need help to survive in the social world, homes, employment and whatnot.
From my understanding, the environment selects the evolutionary advantage of a particular trait. The classic example is sickle cell anemia. Their hemoglobin carries less oxygen so they become tired more easily. In Africa though sickle cell RBCs are resistant to the malaria parasite so that this population is evolutionarily advantaged and the trait has increased dramatically in these populations.
Has AS increased by having an advantage in the technical world or is it because disabilities are able to survive more easily in an environment not encumbered by natural selection processes? I am not sure. The increase in AS may be just achieving some sort of new equilibrium within the native population that can be tolerated. If AS people are better able to cope with a new disease or toxin in the environment or live more peacably in an increasing crowded population they may become the dominant normal form of human life sometime in the future.
As is increasing because there is a greater demand for people with AS traits as there is an increased demand for Jobs related to Computing, IT, Electronics and Science.
Also AS communities are appearing such as Silicon Valley. This makes it more likely for an AS person to reproduce as they can find an AS partner more easily. Without AS communities, AS people cannot find AS partners and thus cant reproduce.
So while AS genes may be increasing only in certain communities, and decreasing in others to a lesser extent, the total GLOBAL number of AS genes is increasing as a result.
I am just saying that in the information age, analytics are more important than biceps, and by and large I believe the human genome is responding to that niche.
One of the biggest differences between humans and other animals is that our brains are so important that as infants we are basically a giant brain casing (head) connected to a useless body. Most other animals are significantly more self sufficient, much earlier. That is why we have very active parents, to help us to grow, develop, and become self sufficient slowly, so that we can continue to wield that massive brain. It is sometimes counter-intuative that humans can be viewed as the top of the evolutionary tree, even though there are animals that are much faster, stronger, and durable... and they are all of those things much earlier than humans are.
In fact if you looked objectivly at a human baby, you might assume that they were low on the evolutionary tree. Now look at an aspie child. They often need more care untill later in life. They are often less self sufficient at a comperable age to a normal human. So I submit that the counter-intuitive principle that forces us to look at human development as a group rather than as an individual would cause us to realize that developmental delays might actually be an evolution-positive trait, since it allows our brains to develop in a way that is sometimes more useful for the tasks that we need to do.
GOD, is there SO much WRONG with your asertions! Why don't you read towards the end of the DSM requirements for Aspergers? Here is a summary:
The essential features of Asperger's Disorder are:
Criterion A. Severe and sustained impairment in social interaction
Criterion B. The development of restricted, repetitive patterns of
behaviour, interests, and activities
Criterion C. The disturbance must cause clinically significant impairment
in social, occupational, or other important areas of
functioning.
Criterion D. In contrast to Autistic Disorder, there are no clinically
significant delays in language (eg: single words are used
by age 2 years, communicative phrases are used by age 3
years).
Criterion E. There are no clinically significant delays in cognitive
development or in the development of age-appropriate
self-help skills, adaptive behaviour (other than in social
interaction), and curiosity about the environment in
childhood.
Criterion F. The diagnosis is not given if the criteria are met
for any other specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or
for Schizophrenia.
BTW There are THREE times where AS is a benefit, NOT the ONE you mention:
1. Small business requiring expertise by that person.(Effective dates are from the beginning of time to now, but more likely earlier, since corporations and media now are behemoths to compete against.)
2. Corporate SKILLED jobs requiring special knowledge the AS person has.(Effective dates are from the beginning of time to now, but more likely later as one person may now be required to do what a team really can't.)
3. Discoveries.(Obviously at any time.)
BTW I always worked towards #2, but my career started at, and I wish it had stayed, at #1. With #3 I came up with a few things that turned out good, but I never patented them. I didn't think it was right, and still don't.
2ukenkerl,
Most with Asperger's don't work; social impairment spills over into occupation and academia too (no matter what the job is): check out criterion C of what you posted.
And here's a quote to back it up (this is specifically pertaining to AS):
Daniel,
Admittedly, my major problem there is SOCIAL, but it DOES say **OR**. Occupational can be for many reasons. MY reasoning of this fits everything, and shaggy daddy's doesn't.
Admittedly, I don't know what your problems are, and it isn't my place to say. Also, there are many problems that can pop up. Occupationally, even I have some problems. I may appear arrogant, but at least I have a reason. It makes me SICK, LITERALLY(Yes, I sometimes get depressed, and want to THROW UP!), to see the idiots competing with me for jobs that don't even know the basics. Their hubris, guts, social structure, etc... may make them more and put them in higher positions. Does that mean I am less capable of doing the job, etc? NOPE!
ALSO, I never thought about the idea of meltdowns before. I know that even at 6 I had those kinds of reactions. As for communications and learning styles and understanding, there AGAIN are differences. It is funny how many classes(At least 4 different ones at last count) I go to where I am the ONLY one to ask a FUNDAMENTAL question and perhaps everyone, even the teacher, laughs at me and THEN, everyone else eventually raises their hands to ask questions that I ALREADY KNOW because I know the fundamentals that they only THOUGHT they knew.
PART of that is because I usually understand the way it works, and the goal, better. That doesn't explain it all though. I obviously just think a different way.
All of that MIGHT, at first blush, appear bad academically and occupationally. BUT, academically, I generally do at LEAST average, and sometimes much better. Occupationally, I am usually the most lauded and requested. It is just a shame that my social problems hinder that.
BTW I never saw a psychiatrist for my social problems when HFA or AS were options. There are a LOT of people that were in the SAME position, so the stats you speak of are SKEWED! As for my arrogance, etc... I have tried to keep that in check since I was perhaps 9, and tone down any communications. I also try to avoid problems in other areas.
Still no excuse for not being able to do a job that doesn't require social interaction (if you can get past the interview, that is). Computing is pretty close to perfect for this.
It's actually a real good excuse; there are still people (many people with AS cannot stand in the presence of people at all). Not to mention that many with AS cannot think of, nor do anything that doesn't involve their narrow interest (when they say it excludes everything else, they mean it).
For the majority of individuals, AS is disabling. People who can work are in the minority who function highly.
It's the [objective] facts.
Ok... I don't really mean that there's no excuse.
Oh.... and one of my narrow interests is computing, so that's probably why it works for me.
Oh.... and one of my narrow interests is computing, so that's probably why it works for me.
Computers is narrow?!?!? I can explain things all the way from why capacitors are placed near every memory module, to caching, to how registers and clocks work and why they are needed, to locking/race conditions, to parallelism/atomicity. When I was 17, I programmed in about 8 languages including Pascal, BASIC, LISP, and Forth. I can even tell you why Forth is named Forth, and what the other names mean and why. Frankly, the average "programmer" coming out from college today has too narrow a background. USUALLY that is ok, but they don't know when it ISN'T!
If that is narrow, WOW! I guess I have another narrow topic!
I only used a generic word in case I was confusing people.
While I can do hardware, I hate it. I'm pretty much a software only person.
I used to program in several variants of BASIC/VB, Fortran, Cobol, C, Pascal plus a lot of scripting languages etc... I still have DOS 2.0-6.22 (and of course PC DOS 7.0). I was on Windows /286...
Ok, probably showing my age now.
I totally agree... It's the same for the mainstream computing skills - one of the reasons why I abhor MCSEs, CNE/CNA, CLPs etc... Most people I've met with those certifications trained for the exams, not for real life. I always recommend against employing people with those certifications. IMHO, the best thing someone could say to me in an interview is; "I've developed a lot of applications at home in my spare time in different languages because I enjoy it".
I only used a generic word in case I was confusing people.
While I can do hardware, I hate it. I'm pretty much a software only person.
I used to program in several variants of BASIC/VB, Fortran, Cobol, C, Pascal plus a lot of scripting languages etc... I still have DOS 2.0-6.22 (and of course PC DOS 7.0). I was on Windows /286...
OH YEAH, I forgot that I programmed ForTran, and COBOL also, as well as some scripting languages. I learned C about when I was 19 or 20. I learned PERL about 8 years ago, and PHP about 4-5 years ago. I used perhaps every DEC O/S from RT-11 to VMS to Ultrix.
Yeah, maybe we are roughly the same age.
I totally agree... It's the same for the mainstream computing skills - one of the reasons why I abhor MCSEs, CNE/CNA, CLPs etc... Most people I've met with those certifications trained for the exams, not for real life. I always recommend against employing people with those certifications. IMHO, the best thing someone could say to me in an interview is; "I've developed a lot of applications at home in my spare time in different languages because I enjoy it".
I don't know if I agree in not hiring someone because of a certification, but otherwise we agree.