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23 Dec 2007, 6:22 pm

Your son probably shouldn't have "tapped" the guy. But what happened after this is totally crazy. What an idiot that teacher is. There could have been another way of dealing with the situation, just your son calmly being told he shouldn't have done what he done, but going to court its madness. :x . That teacher isn't a very good one obviously. Didn't the school know about your son's condition? so that things can be easier for him. Anyway what has happened is a disgrace, my heart goes out to you all, and I wish you luck. :)



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23 Dec 2007, 6:38 pm

hey wait a minute what a hell skool gets its hands in bussines dont belong to it this is complitily private matter :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x so that fat ass teacher put charcess off asault to him...i would like to get teachers name...then its only matter of time before ill get his e-mail...i would talk to him a pit to f**k leave kid alone and solve this like a man :twisted: ..sorry about languade any comments for idea?


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23 Dec 2007, 6:45 pm

I have no advice, because when I went to school (before America turned into... what it's turned into lately), schools were not this completely off the wall yet. I would have no idea how to handle the school system, but I do know this is happening all over the country.

I did really seriously just tap someone once (I had witnesses and I touched her sleeve and nothing more) and got written up (by the Regional Center, nobody pressed charges) for "hitting her extremely hard on the upper arm" (I touched the sleeve on her lower arm fairly lightly), for going AWOL, and for trespassing, none of which I'd actually done ("AWOL" referred to me leaving the room to get away from her, and "trespassing" referred to me having stopped in someone's driveway because I have a movement disorder that sometimes makes me unable to stop until I hit a physical barrier, but even so a driveway is not trespassing in that state). Meanwhile the staff person who saw it all and defended me, was written up as "renegade staff", I kid you not.

But law enforcement was not involved, probably because the Regional Center was completely aware that this was just to intimidate me and not because I'd done anything remotely that serious.

I hear about how the police are called into school all over the country these days, and I'm seeing a change in our country that I have no clue what to do about.


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23 Dec 2007, 9:39 pm

Assuming your son has an IEP, why wasn't the teacher in charge at the time aware of it? It sounds as though he has no clue whatsoever about special needs, and as though he is not acting in the students' best interest (put him in charge one time, and he changes everything? Is that correct?)
This teacher/coach is the ADULT in this situation. Running to the principal and the police crying "he hit me" is simply not the adult thing to do. I really feel for you and am very sad this is happening to your family.



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23 Dec 2007, 10:28 pm

MadMama, I sent you a PM. I hope you find a lawyer who will help you.



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23 Dec 2007, 10:53 pm

MadMama,

I can say that what the school and especially the teacher has done appuals me :evil:. Sure, your son should not have "tapped" the P.E teacher...but taking him to court? That is an extreme over-reaction!

What about getting your son a youth lawyer? Often, they offer services for free if you are financially challenged. Well, I am not sure about that where you are, but that is how is works in New Zealand.
I'm sorry I couldn't be of much help...but at least if your son could get a lawyer, it may help you out financially.
Best of luck with this. I hope this matter gets resolved and that your son is not charged with something that he does not deserve to be charged of. [ie; what people are attempting to charge him for!].


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24 Dec 2007, 4:00 pm

Ok, I have also had a few run ins with the police unfortunatly years ago and so I have some knowledge about how things work.

If you cannot aford a lawer, one will be provided, so when you go to your arranment you will have to tell the judge this when it is your sons time to approach him, he is a juvinal so parents should be allowed to also approach the bench when it is time, the judge should then have to find a lawer which will probably be in the court room so you may meet him at the arranment.

Now, you have to have the case moved to another time so you can get counseling, this is the law, they cannot strike a sentance on your son until you get counseling, and you can by law put it off for several mounths if nessissary.

You need to go to the school and if possible get copy of your sons record, inparticular any offences he has been written up for, you need to show that he does not have a history of violence.

You lawer may talk with the district attoruney and of the 2 charges, one will likly be dropped, most likly the resisting arrest. You have to get a supporting deposition, from the police which basicly is a statement by the police officer what happened when she arrived their to arrest and charge your son.

It is possible that your sons other charge of battery or assualt or whatever may be reduced or dropped by the district attorney. You have two choices, let your lawer try and handel it, or try to go to the district attourneys office and try to talk to him yourself. I think it would be benifitcial to show him your sons school record as well as maby have the special ed team write what they think about your son, you need positive light for your son, the better your son appears in the DA's eyes, the more likly charges will be reduced or even dropped.

When you have done all that and most importantly what your lawer has told you to do, it is time to go to court and have the lawer do his thing with the judge, hopefully the lawer you get provided by as well as the DA will have reached an aggreement, so when you approach the bench with your son for the real hearing their may be a settlement or even dismissal of the case by the judge.

I wish you the best of luck and please keep us posted on what happens. Often beleive it or not the DA and the judge will try and work with parents, your son sounds like he was just in a bad situation and the whole thing by the school is redicoulos and over the top, the judge and DA may conclude this and dismis the case, hopefully to help ya further your lawer and the schools lawer may get together and make a deal and present it to the DA also, hopefully making things even better for your family.

I hope this matter can be settled, its really horrible what this nation has turned into over the years.


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24 Dec 2007, 4:24 pm

Sounds like a no tolerance policy that got out of control.

The judge is your friend, relax. Bring documentation regarding AS and his diagnosis. Explain he cannot perceive things quickly enough to understand what is going on. He cannot make a ruling without documentation. Have more than the school. You do not need a lawyer, however, if your son cannot afford an attorney they usually provide you with one or with an advocate. Believe me, the things that go through juvenile court are really bad things. The judge will most likely get mad for the school bringing something so petty to his courtroom and wasting his time. Most likely it will be thrown out of court. Please check the school’s Zero Tolerance policy, and check your “Parent’s Rights” from your state regarding classified students. The school may be forced to follow these steps if it is policy.

In the meantime, write a letter to the Board of Education and ask to present it at their next meeting. Embarrassing schools goes a long way. You cannot sue the school, as you can’t sue the government. You can try, but in the end all you get is a settlement. What your goal should be is to ensure this doesn’t happen to your son or anyone else again.


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24 Dec 2007, 5:06 pm

The "OFFICIAL" said "That don't matter." !?!?!? She should throw HERSELF in jail, and fine herself for however much she got as a result of her job. She obviously doesn't have the skill or desire to do the job.

Certain people and minors are supposed to be treated better when NOT provoked. They should certainly give an Autistic minor the same consideration, let alone one that has been provoked.



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24 Dec 2007, 5:38 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
ret*d people


Don't use this word as it is very demoralising


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24 Dec 2007, 9:15 pm

1) be proactive and contact the court's forensic clinic for an evaluation before the hearing.
2) contact your local school board, explain the situation and inform them that if the charges are not dropped you will contact the local media.
3) contact the teacher's union and do the same as above.
4) contact the local media, anyway. newspapers and tv news are always looking for something to write about, i can almost guarantee they will be interested.
5) attend the next pta meeting and address them on the issue, even if you're not a member, they will be interested.
6) get your kid out of that school!



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24 Dec 2007, 9:43 pm

I'm fairly certain that any judge would throw this out of his courtroom immediately. To call the cops over a tap from a 12-year-old? The teacher in question is probably 2-3 times your son's size, and to intimidate and forcibly handcuff a small child as the officer did is simply inexcusable. It certainly is not "resisting arrest" when a young boy is frightened over a stranger attempting to grab and forcibly restrain him for no apparent reason. By the way, given the information you provided, you could sue the cop for harassment (excessive use of force- it was entirely unnecessary to handcuff a 12-year-old and this was done solely to intimidate him and you) and you can probably get the school for something similar. File (or threaten to file) such counter-charges and you will likely find that their unfounded accusations will suddenly disappear. If they don't, then you still probably have nothing to worry about, as no judge would give credence to such absurdity as they are putting forth.

Even so, don't let this end quietly with an annoyed judge throwing out the case. Make a big deal of it, go to the press if necessary, and make it clear that you want disciplinary action taken against both the teacher and the cop. They have terrorized your son and your family for no d@mn reason, and they shouldn't be let off the hook for that. In ancient Mesopotamian law, people who falsely accused others were put to death. It's a shame we've done away with those laws.


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24 Dec 2007, 10:49 pm

Unforntunately, this sort of thing has become all too common, where every transgression of a student is treated as a police matter. This sounds like an incident that should have been handled by the school with appropriate punishment such as suspension, although I wonder if wasn't a little more serious than you're son is telling you. A tap on the arm is at most a technical assault and it's seems unlikely that the police would be called over such minor contact.

The principal is likely the one who made the decision to summon the police, and if this was truly a trivial matter, the blame lies with him or her. I certainly think you have a right to get to the bottom of the matter and you might consider speaking with the teacher involved to see what his story is. He's the one who will testify in court.



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25 Dec 2007, 12:45 am

I am sitting here just asking myself UPON WHICH PLANET do we cuff 12 year old boys of good character with no record?

Dorothy...DO NOT click those ruby red slippers, you are WAY better off in OZ...

You must be OUT OF YOUR MINDS with worry over all this gratuitous BS...

Orwell is right, get a good lawyer, go to the press, and when it is over SUE THE COUNTY!!

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25 Dec 2007, 2:23 am

solid wrote:
Don't use this word as it is very demoralising


I didn't mean autistic, but OK. I just find it AMAZING that they seem to find it so easy to d with autistic minors.



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30 Dec 2007, 11:58 pm

The charges sound outrageously exaggerative. I think yoiu shiuld go to the $ store, get 20 packages of computer paper, type and print out what haopened and paper the city in it. Civilians and students need to know what they're dealing with.