Two possible treatable causes of autism

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I dunno - it's a possibility. Bacteria are implicated in all manner of diseases at the moment. I've just finished reading a story about a bacterium known to cause problems in cows being found to contaminate a lot of pasteurised milk and also found in most people with Crohn's Disease being outed as a potential cause of it.

I've also read a lot about various bacteria/viruses being linked to cancers and other illnesses.

Candida is implicated in a lot of problems that are otherwise 'unsolved' in people.



My only problem would be that I don't think anyone in my family has ever been bitten by a tick. I did admittedly live in a country that had ticks until I was 4, but after that I moved to New Zealand, where there are none. My mother is a kiwi too, so there's been little chance (besides that 5 years or so) for her to have been bitten. Also, a lot of my extended family have ASD's (Asperger's, mainly - none with LFA) and are kiwis so it wouldn't explain them.

It's interesting though; I'd be very keen to read more!!

With movies made from Phillip K. Dick novels, you can never tell if they're kidding or not....

Blade Runner is a very bizarre movie (from a very bizarre novel) but can be viewed as almost hauntingly beautiful if you view it as an allegory... And I would think in this case the Director's Cut would definitely be the version to see. If you want to see what he was aiming for anyway.

And while I have been chastised by friends for feeding trolls.... I can't resist pointing out it's been rumored that 100% of people with autism show evidence of human DNA.

Why is someone pointing out an interesting bit of information with the potential to help people on here who, as he pointed out, want to be cured (yes, there is a choice!) considered a troll??

Just because the majority may not agree, doesn't mean there aren't those of us who don't either want to be cured, or who won't find this interesting.

There wasn't anything provacative or inflammatory in that first post...

Why I posted this topic:

I found out I had HFA last year. Lyme disease explains some of my symptoms and one symptom of Lyme is "autism-like syndrome" That's why I'm interested in infectious causes.

Last edited by zendell on 02 Jan 2008, 12:06 am, edited 1 time in total.

IMHO..... which is worthless to any but myself, I readily acknowledge.....

Bacterial diseases are not going to cause deep and pervasive genetic changes. Autism, and Asperger's as an Autistic Spectrum Disorder are caused by multiple genetic differences on multiple chromosomes, from NT genetic structure. Brain development is also different, with Autistic brains growing at a faster pace than NT brains, thus the proposal to measure head circumference at the age of 6 months to get an early diagnosis of Autistic Spectrum Disorders. We seem to have a different percentage of "white matter to gray matter" than NT's do. In other words, and again IMHO, suggestion of a bacterial cause of deep, pervasive genetic changes is junk science and deserves what it got... A VIRUS can change genetic structure of a cell. BACTERIA do not. Bacteria ARE cells.

Hey! I resent that. What are your sources?

Haha, sorry, yeap it's a nickname for a New Zealander.

(Also a fruit, and a cute little bird native to New Zealand that can't fly but makes up for it with an awesome beak.)




That's really interesting though what you're saying about Lyme disease. I guess it's always a possibility that it's a cause, or a trigger... though is that to say that cure the Lyme and you'd cure the autism too? Or is the brain's actual wiring made different in utero and so unchangeable, but still as a result of Lyme infection? Perhaps there are different causes of autism, or it is one actual physical condition caused by a number of different possible things (ie genetics, or an external trigger such as infection such as Lyme, or mercury, or whatever else has been implicated in the past)?

Questions, questions...


As for antibiotics... I'm really against them right now, haha. I had the flu a few months back, took some antibiotics for the first time since I was a very young child for bronchitis/asthma, and then a month later got another flu even worse, and more antibiotics, which did nothing. Since then I've been battling with probiotics and high-dose Vitamin C, echinacea, garlic... I'm getting there slowly but it's taking a while. My body just has to heal itself now.

Google 'candida diet' and see if you think that might help? Candida infection is bloody awful, and often occurs after antibiotics have been taken. Could help you!!

Shhhhh.... MAKE the hume's think we're like them..... if they figure out where we CAME from, there will be hell to pay....

Oh, right. Sorry.

Nice kiwi pic.

I've been reading messages from a Lyme-autism message board and the parents are saying antibiotics help treat autism in their children but I don't know if any will be cured. I'm pretty sure Lyme causes some permanent damage so if I have it I probably won't be made indistinguishable from my peers.



I've been assuming there are several causes of autism. I think Rett's syndrome is a genetic cause. I think the CDC site said something like most medical conditions are the result of a genetic predisposition to an environmental factor. For example, some people smoke 3 packs/day for 50 years with no problems. Other people get lung cancer from second hand smoke. I think autism is similar. I'm diagnosed with CFS and infections and mercury are implicated in that condition. My autism varies as my CFS worsens or improves. One doc who treated hundreds of patients with CFS found that over 90% had high levels of mercury so that's why I'm interested in that also. Other people on this site mentioned CFS symptoms so that's one reason I thought they'd be interested in the stuff I posted.



Sorry the antibiotics did that to you. Doxycycline messed me up last year (2007) so that's why I warned about that. Probiotics helped me alot. Echinacea and garlic and too much vitamin C make me worse. I felt really tired and "out of it" when I tried them. I'm thinking I might have an autoimmune problem (which is found in most with autism and CFS).



I tried the candida diet and am still following it somewhat. Eating less sugar definitely helps but it's hard to avoid.

kiwi!
just like that video on youtube
that is so sad, isn't it....

I'm confused, how is he a troll? I reviewed the link and it seems to be legit, in which case I really think this is something we should be discussing??

Sugar is a pain because it's in EVERYTHING.

I found the easiest way to get rid of it was to go cold turkey, and then when I craved it just make do with nuts/seeds/fruits (which I guess you couldn't do on a candida diet)/raw veges/natural sweet things. Then I tried a Twix 2 weeks later and spat it out, it tasted like poison. I don't even have sugar in my tea anymore, I just don't want the stuff. Hooray!!

Sounds like you've really done your homework there though! It's interesting, I guess everyone's body is different. I find echinacea really good, but it has to be good quality stuff. Vitamin C seems to help me a lot, but then other things I don't like so much. I tend to just go with what I naturally like/dislike (the exception being eggs, which I love but am allergic to) - I naturally gravitate away from anything dairy (except probiotic yoghurt), so assume I'm not good on that. Same as most processed foods - I can actually taste aspartame in things after literally one mouthful! I've not thought much about auto-immune disorders though.

I am busy doing a budget for the next 2 pays so I can factor in a trip to a homoeopath though to try and get something to really kick this sickness's butt now, I'm going on a long-haul holiday in 2 months and really can't be doing with this flu/no flu/flu thing the whole time. I don't want it to develop into CFS or anything, so I'm going to do all I can. I'm through with normal doctors, they're useless!!

trust me he is trolling, don't feed him
what you are thinking of is spamming

Trolling is being deliberately provocative and trying to start fights. He's not doing that at all. So this isn't trolling.

Most people on here seem to be against cures, which is probably why they aren't liking this thread.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Easy. But some of us are interested in what he has to say, and it isn't being rude or disrespectful or impolite or agressive, so what's the problem?

LeKiwi, one hard part about diets is that I'm allergic to nuts and soy. I also can't eat many veggies because they cross-react with a latex allergy I have. I think the vit C, echinacea, and garlic will help me in the future. I used to cook with lots of garlic (I like the taste alot) but now it makes me worse. Vitamin B6 never bothered me before but now it does. That was 3 years ago. I think I have some autoimmunity now as the result of an infection that got worse or maybe from mercury from an amalgam filling I got 2 years ago. I read stuff about mercury may cause immune dysfunction which may lead to chronic infections.