Can someone please explain Non Verbal Learning Disability?

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15 Mar 2008, 11:21 am

I like that site, Daniel.

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20 Mar 2008, 3:51 pm

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I am terrible with directions. I constantly have dreams about getting lost, although this hasn't happened to me in a long time. I know where everything is in the library, and can find over 90 percent of the items on my list, and have even found 100 percent on a few occasions.

Otherwise, I don't think NLD fits me. I do best in English, reading and vocabulary. I am not spectacular in mathematics, but I am functional. I also have intense special interests, an indicator more of AS than of NLD.


Well, I've never been functional in math, that's for sure. Being in a familiar place is sure comfortable.....funny how easy it is to get lost.

The interesting thing in my life right now is that the grocery store I've been going to for five years is closing. Right now I can go through there so quick and find everything I need with great ease......the thought of learning where everything is in the new grocery store is a bit daunting. It will slow me down for a while, that's for sure.


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20 Mar 2008, 11:37 pm

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I was re-diagnosed with NLD last year (I originally had an AS diagnosis back in '03.). Even though I'm a very social person, I couldn't recognize a face to save my life. I can be friends with someone for two years and still not be able to recognize their face if it's outside a familiar setting, like school. I'm also horrible at remembering names. When I was younger, the bullies seemed to pick up on these facts and they had a very easy advantage over me. I also can't read lips one bit. My mom tried to mouth me something last summer at swimming lessons (she was on the upper level while I was about to get into the pool), but I had no clue at all what she was trying to tell me. I used to not be very good at directions, but since I started learning how to drive (I should get my liscense by this summer), I've gotten a lot better with them. The only things that I really have associated with AS are the obsessions and meltdowns (but the meltdowns have gotten a lot better).


I know i dont have NLD now... hehe

I drove a cab for like 7 years, and i would always think spatially, picture in my mind the visual map to get somewhere, in terms of going from point a to point b, not numerically considering addresses. (if that makes any sense...) I also recognize faces of people i haven't seen or talked to in years; as an example; i ran into a woman on the street some years back, we were both in our 30s. I asked her if she went to my grade school, and she said, yes, she did, and it was a class mate of mine from 5th grade! weird... but i cant remeber names from last week. go figure... :)

I am the king of obsessions and meltdowns. my meltdowns; i handle them by trying not to talk to too many people about whats bothering me, because they think im always overeacting or overthinking the subject at hand. i usually calm down after a few days time, and go back to obsessing about one of my primary interests again. whew...

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21 Mar 2008, 2:48 am

NVLD describes me pretty well except NVLD indicates I would have started talking at a normal age and not delayed, like the PDD NOS I got labeled with.



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21 Mar 2008, 8:15 am

In most cases, we're talking about abnormal brain development or brain damage or both......and the causes may be multiple, even in a single individual.

It's impossible to have perfect categories.

Human brains are naturally quite variable in development and most people have stronger and weaker aspects of brain function.

In my case I think I suffered brain damage from exposure to DDT and other pesticides on my family farm as a child and I also had some hereditary issues with a vulnerability to autism......plus, family history leads me to suspect that my family has some other genetic issues with unusual brain development, both in giftedness and mental illness.

What a combination.

It's not surprising that I had a tough life.

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31 Mar 2009, 10:05 pm

Wow. I feel like i just read about the story of my life in all of your posts. I can especially relate with the visual-spatial stuff. It is really bad for me though, I walk into things like poles, desks, bushes and everything in between all the time (even walls sometimes) and i will have no idea why, it always seems as if they just came out of nowhere. It feels like i am walking through a dark room and everyone else is given a flashlight but someone gave me faulty batteries that can only sputter every once in while.

Due to NLD I do have a quite a few social defecits as well but most of them are pretty minor, luckily most of my friends and just people i know think my defecits are more funny than annoying. They especially enjoy the walking into stuff, they get a good kick out of that and it has earned me the title of "space cadet". I don't mind though because one of my favorite things to do is to make people laugh.

I also completely understand about the lip-reading thing. Even after the fifth time someone repeated themselves I generally still couldn't comprehend what they were trying to say, so now i just usually ask them to repeat once or twice and after that no matter whether i could understand them or not (usually not) i just giggle and nod along. It works in most cases.

I don't have any issues with math or science though. They are actually my two better subjects, it is English and history that i most struggle with. It is difficult for me to write and speak coherently because it feels like one part of my brain is moving a million miles a minute while the other can barely reach 30 mph. So my brain keeps on popping out thousands of ideas every second but i cannot get them all down quick enough so I forget most of them and what i end up with is a random jumble of thoughts that dont seem to connect to one another anymore because the transitional sentences were lost somewhere in the giant black hole of my brain. Also as you can imagine i end up writing way too much, to the point that just glancing at the length of my paper can give you a headache. It is extremely frustrating. History makes itself difficult for me because most history teachers expect you to learn an entire unit by reading an taking notes from a textbook. MY BRAIN CAN"T WORK THAT WAY!! !! ! I cannot learn a single thing by reading a book that is completely void of any emotion and just seems to blast through 5 million random events that happened at 5 million random dates and doesnt even go in chronological order.

I was just diagnosed with NLD two days ago but already i fell like everything is just that much clearer now. Of course this diagnosis was made after about 3 years of popping pills for ADHD, which clearly isn't the problem. Unfortunately, the misdiagnosis of NLD as ADHD is a very normal occurrence. I think something should be done about this. I mean, my doctor didn't send me in for any kind of testing before she willingly prescribed a medication for me that was both potentially harmful and unnecessary. I would have gone my whole life claiming to have ADHD and taking unhelpful medication instead of discovering the real problem and how to compensate for that if I hadn't decided to apply for 504 accomodations (a less intense form of IEP). I think testing should be required by law prior to the prescription for any type of prescription behavioral medication.

Tip: If you are taking notes or having a hard time remembering some material find any song that you know and use your language skills to turn the information that you need to memorize into lyrics that go to the tune of the song. =D



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01 Apr 2009, 1:43 am

I have some of the NVLD criteria, Visual-Spatial-Orientation integration problems, with inability to form visual images, lack imagination, abstact concepts are difficult to comprehend, 3 dimensinal shapes are confusing-big issues with geometry/trigonometry, map reading, eye tracking issues when reading(Word for word), only see words when reading poetry, no creative writing skills.

Try this link for information;http://www.pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Non-Verbal%20Learning%20Disabilities%20(NVLDs) I found it helpful.

Some of the Borderline PD criteria suits my personality but much does not. Aspergers mould fits best and I finally accepted the diagnoses the other day, 12months of annalysing and understanding are over. What confused me most is the indiscriminate categorising of people with AS when they suit Kanner (Classical) autism criteria better. I prefer if the different disorder criteria was adhered to by diagnosing professionals and they keep order. Rules and guidlines are very important otherwise confusion is the result.



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21 Apr 2009, 12:26 am

Hello Everyone,

I was recently told by a professional that I had an NVLD, or that I shared many of the characteristics of someone with this diagnosis. Reading all of your posts has made me ponder this diagnosis more deeply; hopefully I don't bore you with my details.

I am still shaky about being categorized as someone with NVLD. I do exhibit some of the classic symptoms that are discussed online. I have a 40 point difference between my verbal comprehension and perceptual organization scores. I have terrible visual-spatial and fine-motor skills, weak visual memory, and a weak working memory. This has led to obvious problems in areas such as math, handwriting, tying shoes as a child, etc. I am quite bad with directions, though not to the point of being incapacitated (i.e., I can drive a car and get around fine). I simply cannot remember street names, and have some difficulty, compared to others, remembering which roads to turn down. Ultimately, though, I wouldn't consider this to be a huge deficit, since I still get to where I need to go, and don't often get lost.

On the other hand, I believe I am competent in some areas that seem critical to a NVLD diagnosis. For example, socially, I have never really had much of a problem: I am able to grasp facial expressions, irony, sarcasm, humor etc. I do have social anxiety that has seemed to worsen over the years. I feel, though, that this is due more to my learning disabilities, rather than any weaknesses in social perception. Also, I have been very athletic my whole life, and this too does not seem to fit with an NVLD diagnosis. I read somewhere that children diagnosed with NVLD didn't like to play with blocks or Legos; I was obsessed with both (though, I don't know how adept I was at building with them).

Overall, this problem weighs heavily on me. I just completed my Master's degree, but I am terrified of reentering the work force. I was let go at a job out of college because of inattention to visual detail, and I am convinced that I am going to be screwed again. I believe that I am a reasonably intelligent person. I have a high average IQ, though this score was not used because of subtest discrepancies. Instead, I was considered to have 'superior' mental ability. As I said above, I would really appreciate it if anybody had input for me. Thanks!



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12 Aug 2009, 12:21 pm

My son's obsessions are Electronics (Video games, computers, etc)...I doesn't do well without them for long period of times.