Most people on this forum don't have Asperger's Syndrome

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02 Feb 2008, 11:43 am

Do professionals actually say that asperger's is not a problem but a difference? I can't imagine anyone would say this, when the original point of getting a diagnosis, any diagnosis, is getting help because one or more facts in life cause 'a problem'.


Well, if the only issue ever present in an individual was 'social awkwardness', then of course they don't have any form of autism (pdd-nos and atypical autism excluded, as I'm not sure about what criteria a person must meet to be classified as such).

Asperger's is a disorder that manifests impairments in the same three areas as in autism. Impairments in social interaction, communication and repetitive behaviour/restricted interest.
An individual must meet symptoms in all three areas to be classified as autistic.



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02 Feb 2008, 11:51 am

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been diagnosed by three different doctors, one of which is the leading specialist on autism spectrum disorders in my state. So I do indeed have AS.



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02 Feb 2008, 11:54 am

RedTape0651 wrote:
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It is true that Asperger's Syndrome causes social awkwardness, but to assume that a socially awkward person has a high likelihood of having Asperger' Syndrome --just because he or she is socially awkward-- is ridiculous. It might sound hard to believe, but the first thought that comes into a lot of people's minds when they hear the words "socially awkward" is "Asperger's Syndrome."


I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. There are still a lot of people who have no idea what Asperger's Syndrome is. And, despite this forum, most people diagnosed with AS today are being children brought into a psychologist or doctor by their parents, and are not adults going to seek help on their own free will.


You're certainly right there! I didn't know what AS was until a few years ago! And people have known I was socially awkward, had no interest in sports, couldn't catch, etc... for YEARS and NEVER mentioned autism or AS!! !!

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Here's a brief list of conditions that also cause social awkwardness:

Low intelligence.
High intelligence.


High intelligence does not cause social awkwardness. If anything intelligence could help someone figure out how to behave socially.


OOOPS! You fell into the trap! You can be VERY intelligent with some things, and an IDIOT on others! High intelligence means you look for people you feel are better, and almost have to compromise on some things. That limits your choices, but does NOT mean you are better socially. The result? It IS harder!

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Immaturity.
Attitude.
Schizophrenia.
Personality Disorders.
ADD/ADHD.

Of course, almost noone wants to attribute their social problems to a psychiatric disorder, low intelligence or a flaw of character; so it's not suprising that when an Oprah/Dr.Phil-educated armchair psychologist labels them Aspergeans, and reassures them that their problem is not a problem, but just a variation in the way they interpret the world, they feel ennobled and redeemed; the blame for their faults swiftly shifts from their own selves towards an abstraction.

The truth is that Asperger's Syndrome is just another fad, like depression and ADD/ADHD. In fact, most people who think they have Asperger's Syndrome probably don't have it, because self-awareness is pretty much inconsistent with the nature of Asperger's Syndrome. Do you feel empathy towards other "aspies" on this forum? Most likely, that means you don't have Asperger's Syndrome. Aspergeans are known for lacking empathy, and saying that an Aspergean feels empathy is almost as ludicrous as saying that a narcissist has low self-esteem; that's just not the way these labels were defined.

For those reasons, I think most people on this forum don't have Asperger's Syndrome.


Uh, you are forgetting that social difficulty is not the only symptom of AS, which many of us likely have. There are also:
-Poor motor coordination and dyspraxia
-Sensory Issues (which could be termed abilities since Aspies can often sense things that others cannot)


YEP! If it was only shyness, I would figure BIG DEAL! A fancy and misleading name for a common problem. I DO have other problems, like certain motor and sensory issues. I still consider the social ineptness my only REAL problem though.

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These issues, which have nothing to do with social behavior, are often difficulties for Aspies. For whatever we think of Christopher Gillberg, those non-social difficulties are accounted for by his diagnostic criteria.


Yeah, but they are accounted for by EVERYONES criteria! Gillberg also has some pretty dumb requirements few others have. Ones that NEGATE the need to have AS as a diagnosis!! !!



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02 Feb 2008, 12:10 pm

Mw99, maybe you should have started this thread/ tirade a long time ago when the WP first started.

Perhaps if you ask Alex, he'll let you screen all the new members so that this thread doesn't have to be zombified anymore.

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02 Feb 2008, 12:20 pm

The last time I saw a psychiatrist was in 1989, before the diagnosis existed. However, every important person in my life (mostly family) who has read the DSM-IV-TR entry agrees that the diagnosis fits perfectly. (My wife said they should put my picture next to it.)

OTOH, I also don't feel the need to have a total stranger (say, Mw99) validate what I already know to be true. :)


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02 Feb 2008, 12:28 pm

I have had the same thought - that some (not most) members don't have AS.
I found myself asking "does it really matter?"



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02 Feb 2008, 12:29 pm

I don't see what difference it makes.


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02 Feb 2008, 12:29 pm

Reyairia wrote:
RedTape0651 wrote:
High intelligence does not cause social awkwardness. If anything intelligence could help someone figure out how to behave socially.


Actually, studies show that shy people are shy because they're more socially aware and therefore more nervous. It also proves that, as such, shy people are much more likely to be very intelligent as opposed to extroverts who just flings him/herself in and let the pieces fall as they go.


More like we think too much, & also we go into fight or flight where our senses are higher, probably why we talk less & listen more, & like to observe people, are more on guard than someone else is, like what an animal would do if it was scanning it's environment, basically you can compare me to a parrot, also can tell it's because we think too much because more information makes us more nervous, less we think about it the less nervous we get, distraction is always good & taking deep breaths before doing it, or people who take a small drink or a fag before they do something or after.

Forgot the link http://www.self-confidence.co.uk/shyness/tips.html


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02 Feb 2008, 1:11 pm

Reyairia wrote:
I'm wondering if you are a troll.


I doubt it, since most of his posts that I've read sound like stuff I'd say if I had less impulse control. This was an interesting idea to toss out; it just came out a tad too blunt.

So, Mw99, maybe if you just phrased these theories in the form of questions (in this case, "Do you think it's possible that most WP users aren't really aspies?") you wouldn't get so many negative replies? Just a thought.

Or maybe negative feedback is part of what you're going for. I dunno.

Aspergian traits are kind of blurry and tough to define, and I'm self-diagnosed, so I've occasionally had my doubts, so it was a valid point. I'm guessing most of us are though.


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02 Feb 2008, 1:22 pm

Most Aspies can learn social skills, I mean we are highly intelligent, so at one point in our life we aren't socially awkward.
Having sensory issues has an effect on our social life though.
I have passed as a highly social person, even charming, noone can suspect that I can be socially awkward, but at one point I have to show the real me, the one that prefers to be at a quiet place, alone.



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02 Feb 2008, 1:26 pm

You're forgetting about comorbidity. Some people here may have Asperger's syndrome and another psychiatric condition (taxonomically, Asperger's and other developmental disorders do fall under the psychiatry domain for now).



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02 Feb 2008, 1:37 pm

What bothers me more is that AS is now automatically associated with autism, so now there are a bunch of fools going around saying that they are "autistic" without proper diagnosis and without any real developmental delay. If all of the rest of this stuff was going on without the aforementioned, I wouldn't really have as much of a huge problem with it as I currently do.


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02 Feb 2008, 1:45 pm

If you've read any of the latest studies, they're starting to redefine that whole "not having empathy" thing.


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02 Feb 2008, 1:49 pm

Number_11 wrote:
What bothers me more is that AS is now automatically associated with autism, so now there are a bunch of fools going around saying that they are "autistic" without proper diagnosis and without any real developmental delay. If all of the rest of this stuff was going on without the aforementioned, I wouldn't really have as much of a huge problem with it as I currently do.


But AS is a form of autism, it was once called 'autistic psychopathy'? I don't think it matters any more when people say they're autistic whereas they may not at all have a pdd than people saying they have 'asperger's', when they have not. If it is considered bad that people who don't have a pdd claim to have one, then it is bad regardless of what pdd they claim for themselves in my opinion. I don't understand if there is a difference that makes one claim worse than the other.



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02 Feb 2008, 1:53 pm

lastcrazyhorn wrote:
If you've read any of the latest studies, they're starting to redefine that whole "not having empathy" thing.


Yes. There is also a difference between being perceived by others as unempathetic and actually being unempathetic. My mother has said to me, "Empathy is not your strong suit." However, I do perceive myself to be empathetic, though admittedly this is seen most strongly in my feelings towards a certain subset of people (including many aspies) and towards cats.



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02 Feb 2008, 2:02 pm

srriv345 wrote:
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If you've read any of the latest studies, they're starting to redefine that whole "not having empathy" thing.


Yes. There is also a difference between being perceived by others as unempathetic and actually being unempathetic. My mother has said to me, "Empathy is not your strong suit." However, I do perceive myself to be empathetic, though admittedly this is seen most strongly in my feelings towards a certain subset of people (including many aspies) and towards cats.


Not to mention the fact that a lot of the scientists were behavioralist NTs.


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