Deficient behaviors of NTs
The argument seems rather fallacy-laden. Most people are NT's, and thus, if you are bullied in the school/workplace, chances are it's by NT's. Also, the term "NT" is rather misleading, as it implies that the person is "typical," when in the context of this forum, all it means is that you do not have AS. I know people who are completely and utterly insane and the opposite of typical, and yet would be considered "neurotypical" in regards to Asperger's. Also, many NT's bully other NT's, as was I, quite badly at some points.
It's obvious to me that the concept of judging an entire demographic on merely the limited group of people that you've met in your lifetime is plainly illogical. And the irrationality of it is actually why it seems odd the a good number of AS people have such a prejudice. Surely you can understand, from an outside perspective, how strange it seems to me that quite a few people belonging to a group (Asperger's) that is defined partly by logical and rational thought, can lower their mental functioning to a point of harboring intense prejudice (a distinctly illogical and irrational trait).
And, oddly enough, one of my biggest problems, according to my psychologist, is that I am rigidly logical to the extent that it impedes my social functioning (she also thinks I show serious signs of Asperger's, something she told me after I was a member of this site).
Also, I do not understand such prejudice based on the fact that there is such a thin line between NT and AS, hell, half the people here aren't even sure they have it or consider themselves self-diagnosed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know psychiatrists are all idiots or whatever, but in spite of some AS-like traits I do not think I have the syndrome, and yet, I have found that I am much more Aspergian than many of the "unsure" or "self-diagnosed" people here. How can you be prejudiced when you don't even know who is who?
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I think that the point Remnant is trying to make is that NTs are equally deficient than Aspies and hence it's hypocritcal for them to suggest a cure for autism when they have imperfections as NTs which autistics are less likely to have.
That's my point, and I genuinely wonder if they are the ones who are sick. I haven't accepted the idea that autistics for the most part are sick, or that autism is a sickness. There are autistics who are sick but I don't know that autism is a sickness. The autism may be what a person does to treat his illnesses or problems. In many or most cases it may be more like meditation.
I keep seeing reasons for the ASD social and behavioral impairments to come from the "other" side. I looked up "autism" in Wikipedia and it says that it is a "that impairs social interaction and communication, and causes restricted and repetitive behavior." People who use fist-fights as a means of communication are socially impaired, and that is what seemed to prevail where I lived. This is also restricted and impaired behavior. Then look at the world in general that still sees religious and legal restrictions as some kind of valid moral code, and follows regimens that restrict people's ability to learn and understand. People who have to sit at a bar and drink or who have to sit in front of the TV every day (and probably drink) are engaged in repetitive restrictive behaviors.
We are supposedly disordered. Disordered as compared to what? I couldn't believe that there was something special that was wrong with me. I looked around at my classmates. They were allowed to drive cars and they used those cars as weapons. Most of them were into smoking by the age of 10 and drinking as soon as they could stomach it. In more than one case one of them would torture me with the active collaboration of a teacher, then I would get a bad report and my mother wouldn't let me explain to her what they did to me. Who's crazy there?
I just don't buy it. Every human being has deficiencies. When trying to figure out whose deficiencies cause more "impairment" I think that the eagerness to commit violent acts against others or to force others to do so is an impairment. The NT establishment seems to see this as a vital social skill.
The problem is that NT deficiencies are labeled as part of some Platonic, essentialistic, single "human nature" and so such deficiencies are just considered "human failings," and not disorders. But in reality there is no such thing as a unitary "human nature" because every human is a genetically unique individual, species have no "essential nature," each individual has thier own unique "nature" determined by that individual's genetics and life experiences. There is no objective reason to distinguish between NT "human failings" and non-NT "disorders." the boundary between the two is a social construct based on an essentialistic notion of what is "human."
I'm not talking about "prejudice." Prejudice is prejudgment without actual experience. I gain all of my insights from actual experience and from all too intimate contact with people who want to control me like I was a dangerous animal, who use delusional thought processes to excuse threats, control, and actual physical attacks. They don't want me around animals, by the way, because I could so easily show them up.
I don't think there is any such thing as a "neurotypical trait." There's too damn many of them to classify. The violent traits you speak of, do you really think that's typical of most NTs? You make it sound like almost every NT I ever meet will greet me with brass knuckles. How do you know (as someone pointed out already) that quite a number of those people aren't sociopaths? Sociopaths do outnumber Autistics by about ten to one. Plus do you really think Autistics are incapable of violence? I don't doubt that many of us get bullied throughout life, but Autistics are not the only victims in this world, and creating a self centered isolation where we judge everyone else based on vague generalizations is not going to help anyone. Many NTs come to this place to try and understand someone they love, and this is a pervading additude that they have to come across. It's not fair to judge a single person based on what a sample of other people are like that you can group them with in some obscure way.
Well, according to Webster's Collegiate, prejudice is defined as "leading to premature judgment or unwarranted opinion."
You're judging the majority of the world by your limited experiences. That is not logical.
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My problem with the term is that, in the context of discussing ASD's, it simply means that someone doesn't have an ASD, even though they may be unusual or have another neurological condition.
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If non-autistic people do have specific difficulties (which I'm sure they do), they're likely to be at a more basic cognitive level than even something silly like "logical thinking deficits" or something. And those difficulties are likely to be related to something really useful about the way their brain works -- this is how tradeoffs often happen in the brain, you lose one set of skills to gain another (and there are many such periods in non-autistic development).
But there is absolutely nothing that makes them less moral on the whole than autistic people. I believe that if the world were run by autistic people we would cause a lot of the same disasters that non-autistic society does, we're just not in charge so don't get blamed for them as often.
At least, when I see autistic people get together in groups, I see the same things I see in non-autistic groups: Cliques, gossip, oneupmanship, nastiness to people who aren't cool enough, etc.
The fact that a group of people usually doesn't have the chance to abuse power, doesn't mean we won't abuse power if we do get the chance. And anyone who thinks they are immune to abusing power, is one of the most likely sorts of people to actually abuse it. Whether they are autistic or not.
Many groups of people make the mistake of thinking since they don't have the social power other people do, they would do things better. Like a lot of women used to think that if women were in politically powerful positions we'd do better than men. But it's not true. Look at Hillary Clinton, she strikes me as just as corrupt as a whole lot of the men doing her job out there.
So just because you haven't had the chance to do all the nasty things non-autistic people have often had the chance to do, doesn't mean you wouldn't do them if you did have the chance.
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