Is lower functioning austim inheritable?

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beau99
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09 Feb 2008, 6:30 pm

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According to my 'imaginary mating system' , you two should never got married or at least got married with adopted children.

How selfish you two are...pfff


As an aspie who is probably going to marry another aspie (and maybe have kids with him, who knows?), I dislike your eugenics-oriented thinking. It's not up to you to judge other people's choice to have children. I find it pretty disgusting that you would chastise someone for making a personal decision like that. It's even as though you're implying that certain people (most of us on this board!) have "bad" genes that ought not be passed on. If you feel that way for yourself, that's your choice. But don't superimpose your own messed up ideas on others. I agree with OregonBecky, personally. If George and Barbara Bush can inflict their offspring on their world, I don't see why myself and my boyfriend shouldn't (when we're much older and better-prepared).


It's your personal choice ....but don't back crying here when if you have a HFA or even an LFA child.
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Many of us desire to have autistic kids.

I plan on adopting one myself in a few years...


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09 Feb 2008, 6:31 pm

^ You desire to have a LFA child , for instance?
Do you really desire to have a dwarf or bothsex child too?
You desire suffering for your future kids?



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09 Feb 2008, 6:44 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^ You desire to have a LFA child , for instance?
Do you really desire to have a dwarf or bothsex child too?
You desire suffering for your future kids?


You never know what kind of kid you'll get. Maybe the kid will be born completely healthy and perfectly NT and then become a meth addict, steal everything you own, vote Republican and scribble bad words in your Bible. You never know.

It's safer to have puppies instead, except they don't live long enough.


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09 Feb 2008, 6:48 pm

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It's your personal choice ....but don't back crying here when if you have a HFA or even an LFA child.

Don't you know that Mother Nature is eugenics-oriented btw?

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I plan to educate myself thoroughly and discuss this with my partner before actually having kids, thanks. You might say that "Mother Nature" is eugenics-oriented, but I say that humans have manipulated nature to their own ends (in both positive and negative ways) since man discovered fire. Glorify survival-of-the-fittest societies if you like, but I prefer compassion and inclusiveness.



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09 Feb 2008, 6:51 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^ You desire to have a LFA child , for instance?
Do you really desire to have a dwarf or bothsex child too?
You desire suffering for your future kids?
Just so you know, neither my wife or I took any offense at what you wrote. I want to use your post as a segue for writing to others, so this isn't towards you so much as just generally to all....

We have a profoundly autistic daughter. We love her a lot. She's really quirky, has an enjoyable sense of humor, laughs all the time, draws such bizarre and interesting pictures, sings with us using karaoke, and so on. But she also has grand mal seizures and she has in the last very few years broken her right forearm clear through both radius and ulna in one siezure and broke six of her front teeth on the bathtub edge in another. I cannot tell others what horrible and heart-wrenching pain it is to a parent to hold their daughter through a seizure to keep her from aspirating her vomit while picking her teeth out of the tub in pools of blood and spit or to see her arm just looking far too short for where an elbow should NOT be located and screaming for someone to find some styrofoam so I could fix it before rushing her to a hospital... all the while she is just groggily waking up from the seizure.

We look only forward to the freakish horrors some sad day where a seizure causes her to fall into a sheet of glass and cut off her throat to die and we come over to discover her barely alive and leaving us as we hold her, crying our hearts out.

No one... no one should have to face this. No one.

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09 Feb 2008, 6:58 pm

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LePetitPrince I find those posts highly offensive. I think any parent of an autistic child would. Having or not having a child is your decision only to the extent of your own progeny. To make those statements shows either a callous disregard for others feelings or a profound lack of human empathy. I have VERY low empathy and even I see that. Unless you were being intentionally offensive, of course, which is worse.

How SELFISH they are?? How CARING they are, to raise their children instead of exposing the unwanteds on a hilltop for the wolves to feed on, or whatever else people do these days.


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09 Feb 2008, 7:01 pm

^ Agreed.

If I were able to, I'd adopt every autistic kid in every institution and every one in foster care.

But I can't.


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09 Feb 2008, 7:07 pm

jonk wrote:
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^ You desire to have a LFA child , for instance?
Do you really desire to have a dwarf or bothsex child too?
You desire suffering for your future kids?
Just so you know, neither my wife or I took any offense at what you wrote. I want to use your post as a segue for writing to others, so this isn't towards you so much as just generally to all....

We have a profoundly autistic daughter. We love her a lot. She's really quirky, has an enjoyable sense of humor, laughs all the time, draws such bizarre and interesting pictures, sings with us using karaoke, and so on. But she also has grand mal seizures and she has in the last very few years broken her right forearm clear through both radius and ulna in one siezure and broke six of her front teeth on the bathtub edge in another. I cannot tell others what horrible and heart-wrenching pain it is to a parent to hold their daughter through a seizure to keep her from aspirating her vomit while picking her teeth out of the tub in pools of blood and spit or to see her arm just looking far too short for where an elbow should NOT be located and screaming for someone to find some styrofoam so I could fix it before rushing her to a hospital... all the while she is just groggily waking up from the seizure.

We look only forward to the freakish horrors some sad day where a seizure causes her to fall into a sheet of glass and cut off her throat to die and we come over to discover her barely alive and leaving us as we hold her, crying our hearts out.

No one... no one should have to face this. No one.

Jon


ANY and I say ANY parents who are experiencing the raising of a suffering kid would not take offense at why I wrote . People usually don't know what it looks like the raising a suffering child till they experience it!! !

I was diagnosed as HFA , my brother is undiagnosed aspie (but I am sure that he's aspie) and he's suffering from Auto-immunity since he was kid . He got diabetes when he was a child and later he got one of the most horrible diseases : The ulcerative colitis , it's a cancer-like disease that ruins the intestines.
He started to bleed severely when he was at age 19 , doctors had no choice but to remove the grand intestines , he didn't rest till then because he had many other infections from time to time.

Now , ....in this moment where I am typing this , my brother is in the hospital ...I am going there daily there and switch place with another member of family (mom , sister or dad). He's living now on liquefied nutritions through his neck , his small intestines are infected too and doctors are doing the impossible to clean it and to fight the infection so he can live normally again ...so far no good news. My parents are crying ....

....you're right ....no one should have to face this.



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09 Feb 2008, 7:10 pm

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^ Agreed.

If I were able to, I'd adopt every autistic kid in every institution and every one in foster care.

But I can't.



Adopting autistic kid so you can help him to have a good life is .....a good act.

Wishing to breed a low-f autistic or even high-f autistic is ......a selfish act.



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09 Feb 2008, 7:10 pm

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LePetitPrince I find those posts highly offensive. I think any parent of an autistic child would. Having or not having a child is your decision only to the extent of your own progeny. To make those statements shows either a callous disregard for others feelings or a profound lack of human empathy. I have VERY low empathy and even I see that. Unless you were being intentionally offensive, of course, which is worse.

How SELFISH they are?? How CARING they are, to raise their children instead of exposing the unwanteds on a hilltop for the wolves to feed on, or whatever else people do these days.
I think there are several sides to all this. We have a higher functioning autistic boy, as well. So sweet and wonderful an individual. I wouldn't change even a hair on his head. He is who he is and I think he will have a worthwhile life ahead that he will find personally rewarding.

So I'm living boths sides of the question as a parent. I love all three of my children so much.

One point that is very important to me. I don't want anyone walking on egg shells one way or another because of what I write. I can easily take abuse from anyone with strong feelings on any side and I'm not sensitive nor will I hide behind some feigned pain to make people feel guilty one way or another. I have strong feelings about all this born of long, personal experience. But I am not defensive about anything. I wear myself and my life on my sleeve. And I will always be honest and fair, where I know how to be.

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09 Feb 2008, 7:13 pm

If autism were genetic and autistics had less children on average, then the prevalence of autism would decline over time. A recent study concluded that thimerosal doesn't cause autism because autism prevalence increased by over 300% during the time period they looked at. Therefore, it's doubtful that most causes of autism are genetic although it may be genetic in some cases.



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09 Feb 2008, 7:17 pm

Okay, our daughter goes through a lot but she is very couragous and we tell her all the time what a brave, wonderful kid she is. People feel so squeamish and tiptoe around what they say, worrying that they'll offend parents of disabled kids. I hate that. It feels normal to raise our daughter because when you love your kids, you fully except your life as their parents and it's the new normal.

So make all the autistic jokes, disabled kid jokes, broken bones and teeth jokes and seizure jokes you want. If they're clever, Ill laugh but if they're stupid, then I'll laugh, too, as long as they're not mean-spirited.


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09 Feb 2008, 7:18 pm

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LePetitPrince I find those posts highly offensive. I think any parent of an autistic child would. Having or not having a child is your decision only to the extent of your own progeny. To make those statements shows either a callous disregard for others feelings or a profound lack of human empathy. I have VERY low empathy and even I see that. Unless you were being intentionally offensive, of course, which is worse.

How SELFISH they are?? How CARING they are, to raise their children instead of exposing the unwanteds on a hilltop for the wolves to feed on, or whatever else people do these days.


Oh , look who's talking here.... the Nuclear_assault_of_Japan_supporter_guy.

You're so sweet.



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09 Feb 2008, 7:20 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:

Now , ....in this moment where I am typing this , my brother is in the hospital ...I am going there daily there and switch place with another member of family (mom , sister or dad). He's living now on liquefied nutritions through his neck , his small intestines are infected too and doctors are doing the impossible to clean it and to fight the infection so he can live normally again ...so far no good news. .


Off topic but your family is very wise to keep someone in the hospital at all times wth your brother. Things can happen when nobody's watching.


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09 Feb 2008, 7:22 pm

OregonBecky wrote:
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Now , ....in this moment where I am typing this , my brother is in the hospital ...I am going there daily there and switch place with another member of family (mom , sister or dad). He's living now on liquefied nutritions through his neck , his small intestines are infected too and doctors are doing the impossible to clean it and to fight the infection so he can live normally again ...so far no good news. .


Off topic but your family is very wise to keep someone in the hospital at all times wth your brother. Things can happen when nobody's watching.


That's why I am a wise guy.



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09 Feb 2008, 7:23 pm

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If autism were genetic and autistics had less children on average, then the prevalence of autism would decline over time. A recent study concluded that thimerosal doesn't cause autism because autism prevalence increased by over 300% during the time period they looked at. Therefore, it's doubtful that most causes of autism are genetic although it may be genetic in some cases.
The most recent research I've been reading through, and no I haven't closely examined the methodologies and data to see if I can independently accept their findings, appears to weigh towards both affects taking place. I'm not sure which is predominant, though.

In our case, I've no question. Both my wife and I are very far on the spectrum and we have a profoundly autistic daughter and a diagnosed high functioning autistic boy. Looking at family members such as cousins and other relatives, the picture is even clearer.

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