Why does American society suck sometimes?

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MissConstrue
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26 Feb 2008, 9:36 pm

Hey 2ukenkerl, I overeacted. I'm sorry. I shouldn't let people's opinions get to me like that. Something I'm still working on. I keep forgetting that this is suppose to be a site for supporting. Don't take it personal, my apologies.



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26 Feb 2008, 9:57 pm

2ukenkerl for your information vegemite is the most disgusting thing I have ever tried. So I don't care who thought of it orignally. There are only references to that so-called kook. But best not get into the old Pavalova debate then aye :lol:



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26 Feb 2008, 10:20 pm

Actually, Georgia was set up (the US one, not the 'Russian' one..;) as a penal colony...could explain 'hot 'Lanta'...;) Austrailia took up the slack because we wouldn't take Britain's leavings anymore...;)
There were a lot of British subjects that willingly left for Australia...where they're known as 'Poms'...;)

I seem to remember that at one point, that German failed to become the official language by a single vote in Congress...



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26 Feb 2008, 10:51 pm

pakled wrote:
I seem to remember that at one point, that German failed to become the official language by a single vote in Congress...


Maybe in honour of King George III, who was himself a German?



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26 Feb 2008, 11:11 pm

Mum2ASDboy wrote:
2ukenkerl for your information vegemite is the most disgusting thing I have ever tried. So I don't care who thought of it orignally. There are only references to that so-called kook. But best not get into the old Pavalova debate then aye :lol:


I DID say only the most hardcore tried it in the US, and the guys were KOOKS. WHY? Because it tastes BAD! But some australians actually developed a TASTE for it. HEY, eucalyptus STINKS, and koala bears LOVE it! Go figure!



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26 Feb 2008, 11:13 pm

Well HEY, what is wrong with THAT!?!? A lingua franca, language of an ally(at the time), the british didn't know it as well. So it isn't that crazy.



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26 Feb 2008, 11:27 pm

eucalyptus does not stink, it smells very very nice same as gum leaves which is what koalas eat. I am guessing you are NOT an Australian tho 2ukenkerl. As that old saying goes "Each to his own".
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27 Feb 2008, 12:19 am

The U.S. state of Georgia was a penal colony for a while, so big deal. If I ever get to visit Australia, the first round is on me.

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Look at every war ever fought in history. It was all over who got the power to put someone else down to ensure their own economic security. If the human race ever grows up, this will end, but at this point the human race is just starting puberty, so hang on. It's gonna be a rough ride.


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27 Feb 2008, 12:23 am

I am australian and we are not rejects.



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27 Feb 2008, 12:29 am

I blame the media.



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27 Feb 2008, 12:38 am

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Well Kid020, I live in the US also. YEP, they got help. From GERMANS also! France got help from US ALSO! Germany did in a way. At least we helped get rid of that dictator. So what is your point?


Um... The Prussian empire really didn't involve itself. The German 'captain'(He lied, but did such a good job training the troops, G. Washington didn't care) Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben came over to America voluntarily and not at the behest of the Prussian gov. I'm not further certain what you are referring to regarding Germany. Germany's 2nd and 3rd Reich were removed from warfare with America spearheading it in WWI, and WWI.

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I stand by my statement about males. Even males in INDIA have to live like their caste requires. In europe, they originally were to follow certain customs, etc... In the US, they did the same, and other cultures came with other behaviours.


True. The norm around the world has been that people weren't able to choose their professions, but that their families dictated it via tradition.



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27 Feb 2008, 12:41 am

peppicatred wrote:
I am australian and we are not rejects.


Australia started out as a series of penal colonies with people nearly entirely rightfully convicted. The British army itself also consisted of rejects. Starting out Australia did, but so what? Australia has become a great success story and failure has been the norm. I should also mention after the 1st generation of migrants to Australia, the standard of living improved to being better than Britain's, so being sent to Australia became a reward rather than a punishment. "I robbed a bank and now I'm being sent to Australia! Really? Thanks!"

The American colonies started out as penal colonies in the South and religious, then commercial colonies in the North. Initially it consisted of rejects from Europe, but so what? People left Europe due to its bigoted nature to build a better life and most of the Australians left Europe, Britain and Ireland from their respective bigoted nature to build a better life. So what?



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27 Feb 2008, 3:22 am

I think it has more to do with modern times than with geography. Take Ancient Greece - most of the population were slaves, and I don't think anybody cared how they behaved as long as they did their work. The Middle Ages were a bit more strict, but essentially, everybody was investing most of their energy into just staying alive. Today we live in an affluent, media-oriented society where everybody is in the spotlight all the time, or tries to be. So people have much more time on their hands for primping themselves and dissing others.



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27 Feb 2008, 6:03 am

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The US was NOT founded by rejects! You are confsing the US with australia. AUSTRALIA was fonded by rejects. It used to be a PRISON colony! The US was founded by some people considered to be smart, and they originally wanted to be BRITISH subjects. They just didn't want the stupid laws, taxes, etc... They fought off the biggest military power of the day!! !!

As for your rant of how males behave? They do that EVERYWHERE!


Sorry but you are wrong is saying that Australia was a prison colony founed by rejects!! ! NOT ALL people who emigrated there were convicts! Only very few. I don't get annoyed or offended easily but when someone disses my heritage watch out!
My grandparents emigrated to Australia from France! There were not convicts at all!
Alot emigrated to Australia during the Gold Rush and helped to create a great country!

Ok I feeel tad better rant over :)


Hate to spoil your rant, but that's actually not quite correct.

Australia was first used as a penal colony. That was the core use of Australia by Great Britain upon the arrival of the First Fleet in 1788. Convicts (as they were called) were moved around the country as word got back to Britain about the new land. Immigrants at this point were solely from the British Isles and were both settlers and convicts. This lasted thoughout the first generation of the life of this country.

The convicts were only outnumbered upon the rash of discoveries of gold in the 1850's - whereupon immigrants came from everywhere.

It is not without foundation that the English call us "convicts" to this day. Even WWE wrestler Chris Jericho used the line during a tour of Australia in 2002 and I remember commending him for doing his homework. Although he stuffed up on the correct definition of "w*ker"! ! (Probably deliberately!)



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27 Feb 2008, 6:17 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
The US was founded by some people considered to be smart, and they originally wanted to be BRITISH subjects. They just didn't want the stupid laws, taxes, etc... They fought off the biggest military power of the day!! !!

As for your rant of how males behave? They do that EVERYWHERE!


Uh, no. The U.S. was made independent by a bunch of people who didn't want to pay taxes despite the British spending tons of money on protecting them from the French earlier.


Also, this conformity thing has been the case since a certain cult and it's mentality took over the world. *coughcatholicchurchcough* Before Aspies were probably some of the most important members in tribes and Greco-roman societies.



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27 Feb 2008, 6:42 am

Reyairia wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
The US was founded by some people considered to be smart, and they originally wanted to be BRITISH subjects. They just didn't want the stupid laws, taxes, etc... They fought off the biggest military power of the day!! !!

As for your rant of how males behave? They do that EVERYWHERE!


Uh, no. The U.S. was made independent by a bunch of people who didn't want to pay taxes despite the British spending tons of money on protecting them from the French earlier.


Also, this conformity thing has been the case since a certain cult and it's mentality took over the world. *coughcatholicchurchcough* Before Aspies were probably some of the most important members in tribes and Greco-roman societies.


Blasted hotel internet destroyed what I wrote! :evil: :roll:

I was speaking abot the forefathers. To speak of others confuses things.

Yeah, my mother is catholic. I showed her timothy, and other books that say various catholic ideas are WRONG! Their OWN Bible calls them a cult!