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01 Mar 2008, 2:08 pm

What is a friend?

My definition differs greatly from that of many others. To me, a friend is a person that I can talk to about anything. It's also a person who's company is usually pleasant, but this does not mean I want them around much. I can go without them for a month, which is sometimes necessary. I don't need the company, but I've learned to enjoy to associate with some few people. Because of that, I'm here and because of that, I try to keep my friends.

I suppose to me my friends are also a kind of distraction. I rarely talk to them about issues that bother me, but instead I listen to theirs and just enjoy their company when we do something silly and simple as eating together, watching a film at the cinema, cooking, talking about something as crazed as Wajas. I'm always amazed by their train of thought, by what they say, because it is something I most likely would not say or think in the same situation.

I've come to find that in the past three years, other people can be indeed an emotional support. Just not the usual kind of supportive and listening support for me. I don't see how it is supportive to me to cry in someone's arms or why it is necessary to talk about problems with other people. My pet is more supportive in such a situation than a person is.

There's now one exception though. That is when the problem is something entirely related to social interaction. Then I definitely need all the advice that I can get.

So... they'd probably count as 'social outlets' for other. I call it friends. (They do too, so no worries there.)



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01 Mar 2008, 4:05 pm

I have work friends I like talking to during a break, but I'd still rather eat alone and read than sit with during lunch, and have no desire at all to socialize with outside work. Then I usually have one or two real friends, but only call them every couple weeks or so, and only hang out with them every couple months. Sometimes, I wish I had more friends, or spent more time with the ones I do. But at the end of the day, i'd just rather be alone most of the time.



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01 Mar 2008, 4:19 pm

All I need is to feel a connection with someone or something. In my case it's my interests and forums like these. I'm good to go if I have those things.

I don't exactly "need" friendship, but I do like the feeling of not being alone so I do need connection of some sort.


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01 Mar 2008, 5:08 pm

I have been told quite simply "I don't want friends".
I have decided to leave that topic with Damo for a while since he really doesn't get the idea of friends and friendship at the moment.
I don't understand his reasoning but accept his opinion.



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01 Mar 2008, 5:11 pm

i cant imagine anyone who lives thier life completely alone



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01 Mar 2008, 5:14 pm

I don't think that many people here would disagree with you, Obstinate.

I think the majority of people here really want meaningful friendships but are unable to form them. The people who say they don't are kidding themselves....although I do think that some of us (myself included) have a much lower "social need" than your average person.

I still think that people with AS can develop better social skills. They can learn in an intellectual capacity, so they should at least be able to learn somewhat in a social capacity. I feel that my social skills have greatly improved, but I doubt they will ever be up to par with a lot of people's.



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01 Mar 2008, 5:26 pm

I think it varies. When I was growing up I didn't really want friends in the real sense, just being around people in school was more than enough. I didn't relate to them and I was bullied. There was a period when things were better and people were friendly to me, however I didn't reciprocate properly. Even in my first year of university when I was starting to want friends I realized I had failed to reciprocate several people would were trying to be friends. The rest of university was dire. I managed it in the end.

However I did it by finding the ideal social terms that I could deal with. I struggle with the interconnected 'social network'. When I met my friends we didn’t have any social ties with each other, we were not part of a homogeneous social network such as a school where people are supposed to interact daily. It made this easier somehow. We have something in major in common. Social anxiety.



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01 Mar 2008, 5:41 pm

Obstinate wrote:
I know the lot of you feel that you can get by just lovely without friends and everything, but that's not quite the case. There's just so much you can keep bottled in, and eventually it's gonna take it's toll, and you're gonna end up super depressed. I ended up that way, but then I met a really great friend, and confided in her that I'm simply "Nothing like anybody else. Not just personality wise, but mentally, emotionally." And she makes me feel welcome all the time and gives me hugs and asks me if anything's wrong, and even if she can't understand it, I just open up to her, and she gives me her commentary on it, and tells me what I should try doing to feel better about it. Even things that've been bugging me for years. And on top of that, she's one of those super Extroverted types so she knows a thing or two about how to interact with people, so I learn a bit about that too. But irregardless, 99.9% of people suck, tops. But it's great to find .01%, because at least one of them will help you out so much there's not enough words in the world to thank them for it :). It really is hard to keep thinking about the same things over and over and over for years. Just a word of advice, thanks for your time!


I had a friend who cared as deeply for me as that. But I lost him to my own stupidity, and for along time I was trapped in solitary, guilt laden Hell.

I fully agree with your assertion, but I ask you to keep in mind that life isn't always as simple as that. It's possible to lose a good friend by becoming too dependent. Friends betray one another and people fall apart; and often this leaves us worse off than we were when we knew of no such comfort and were happy to live alone.

And some people don't have a choice. It isn't always possible to find someone to connect with.



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01 Mar 2008, 6:52 pm

Ah yes, the terrible catch 22 of being an Aspie, wanting friends, yet not wanting to become too dependent? It really is hard to find a balance. I think that all comes with communication. It's often hard to tell when you're talking too much, or you're bothering someone, or they're just not feeling good. It's really hard to find that out, I admit. But regardless, the times where everything's just fine are really great.

It's just, I see many people here talk about they don't need any friends. As hard as it is to make friends, just to make one or two is quite enough. And ones that really make you feel welcome are the best. In moderation of course :).



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01 Mar 2008, 9:24 pm

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I think the majority of people here really want meaningful friendships but are unable to form them.


I'm one of them. Although now I have an idea where I might find them(besides the internet)...

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I didn't relate to them and I was bullied. There was a period when things were better and people were friendly to me, however I didn't reciprocate properly. Even in my first year of university when I was starting to want friends I realized I had failed to reciprocate several people would were trying to be friends.


Yup. Those three acquaintences from college I still talk to were trying to be my friend the entire time, and I didn't even notice it! I feel like a jerk for that...



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01 Mar 2008, 9:53 pm

Obstinate wrote:
Ah yes, the terrible catch 22 of being an Aspie, wanting friends, yet not wanting to become too dependent?


I have that problem. My experience is that friendships don't usually last, and therefore it's best not to become too attached to your friends.


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01 Mar 2008, 11:07 pm

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My experience is that friendships don't usually last, and therefore it's best not to become too attached to your friends.


Which is depressing. I'd prefer to keep the same friends...



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02 Mar 2008, 1:20 am

preludeman wrote:
Everyone needs to speak to someone it is human nature.


Yeah, but there's a big difference between having friends and just having the opportunity to speak with people sometimes.


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