Government admits in court autism thimerosall link

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What Kirby wrote is an OP-ED, not an article.

Second, the girl in the case Kirby wrote about doesn't have an ASD diagnosis.

It looked close enough, and it was awarded because the vaccine did cause a problem.

I think it's hypocritical that each loss for the parents is seen as saying; "Autism is not caused by vaccines."
But each win for the parents isn't?

If you can't lose on equal gorunds, you're cheating.

Zarathustra, you mock them, refuse to give any credence to what caused the defendant to settle, tell them what the goverment thinks(do you speak for them often?) despite not knowing their motivations, and wholly disregard their entire opinion with no contrary evidence except that you say that they're wrong.

TLPG, is he wrong? Did the Goverment not settle, did the girl's problems not arise from the vaccine, did the vaccine trials not produce a win for the parents? Looks like Kirby's got a few things right, and he's no more biased than any of the ND bloggers covering the vaccines trials.

I find the general open insults, mockery, sarcasm, and personal attacks to be disheartening. This hostile enviroment towards those who hold different opinions is saddening in the least, and ultimately makes me feel poorly about those who cannot be polite about their discussions, but feel they must utterly humiliate others for reasons beyond my understanding. As well, the constant expressions of intolerance for others is certainly making me feel a great deal of disrespect for individuals I once had varying measures of respect towards. I find their displays shameful and inexcusale, and their actions blacken their names and cause.

The drive to sort people into two camps, those for and against, is ridiculous, and is only causing conflict and intolerance. This black and white representation of us or them is an utterly preposterous concept which leaves no room for grey areas or innocence, and brings shame to those who feel they have the best interests of autisics at heart, as they fight a war where they make enemies of anyone who does not agree.

You only make enemies by treating others so.

Im not sure why it is a good idea to have mercury in anything, seems pretty toxic. However not a lot of people develop autism in response. The other children in my classes also had the same injections as me and turned out NT.

I can see how some children might have an allergic reaction to the chemical though.

The case settle was not a case of a vaccine causing a condition but aggravating a genetic condition that had already been diagnosed.

Two, the payment is out of a fund set up to award damages to people who can show they suffered from any kind of vaccine, and has been around for a long time, and has nothing to do with thimerosol, which has been shown by many studies that are well vetted to not have a link with autism.

And if you're going to argue food sensitivities, call it that. Not an "allergy." I'm going to be pedantic on this because calling one of the most common human conditions an "allergy" is to confuse gas and diarrhea with a deadly condition. I doubt there are many people on this planet who don't have a "special" response to a certain food. Add stress to that mix, and no wonder Pepcid, antacids, and flax seed oil are so dang popular.

It seems all of this severe clinging to ideas and somehow losing the ability to reason on either side smacks of perseveration, another common symptom of us Aspies. Can we just quit the poo slinging? I know it's fun at times, but not to read...and I knew better than to click this thread...I just knew better...

Metta on all your bald heads, R.

Genetics are known to increase susceptibility to environmentally-caused conditions such as cancer and heart disease. That's why everyone who smokes doesn't get lung cancer and it would explain why everyone who gets vaccinated doesn't get autism. Heart disease and cancer aren't blamed on genetics even though they are involved. It's the environmental factors that can be changed that are blamed.

According to another article on this case, " there is no evidence that this girl, prior to vaccination, suffered from any kind of “disorder” at all- genetic, mitochondrial or otherwise." Most cases of mitochondrial disorders are sporadic. What causes sporadic mitochondrial disease? “Medicines or other toxins,” says the Cleveland Clinic, a leading authority on the subject. Therefore, it's possible that vaccines caused the mitochondrial disorder.

Link between mitochondrial disorders and autism
"mitochondrial disorders are rare in the general population, affecting some 2-per-10,000 people... Some journal articles and other analyses have estimated that 10% to 20% of all autism cases may involve mitochondrial disorders, which would make them one thousand times more common among people with ASD than the general population."

"an informal survey of seven families of children with cases currently pending in Vaccine Court revealed that all seven showed markers for mitochondrial dysfunction"

If the autism symptoms were caused by vaccines aggravating a mitochondrial disorder, then vaccines may be involved in the 10-20% of autistics who have mitochrondrial disorders.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/ ... case/2568/


Correct. In this case, it's unknown which component of the vaccine caused autism. They don't even know which of the 9 vaccines she received on that one day caused autism. Only 2 contained thimerosal.

Zendell,

Once again, the girl in the case DOES NOT have an ASD diagnosis. She shows some traits, but not enough to even be considered PDD-NOS!

What the mentally incompetent Kirby wrote and what actually happened are two completely different things.

The only reason I can see why anyone should pay any attention to what the government admits or denies is for the sake of being aware of what's going on politically. We serve the government's purposes way more than what the government serves ours.

The point is that the person affected was NOT on the Spectrum. So it's completely irrelevant to the argument of "Autism is caused by vaccines". Kirby tried to bring it in with his editorial - just to show his mental capacity (or lack thereof)!

Ok. How about this. The vaccine caused some of the symptoms of autism but not enough to qualify for a diagnosis.

"Settling" is just that. The government settles many cases it doesn't feel like dealing with, for a variety of reasons, such as negative plublicity and sheer cost. No matter what the facts of the case were, the government settling a case in court does not equal science. Even if a government attorney stood in front of the judge in a pink tu-tu and stated emphatically, "Mercury causes Autism!" it makes none of it any more or less true, unless the attorney got his law degree in biochemistry and did several large studies. Granted, it might explain the pink tu-tu, but I still find that improbable.

Won't get into why the whole mercury causes Autism arguement reaks of bad science in general.

It's more likely that the girl already had them from birth, but they weren't noticed until later.

Remember the government always tells the truth.

Which might be correct - because that is NOT Autism or anything on the Spectrum. It's NT!

Thank you for finally seeing that.

I had a pretty funky reaction to the MMR vaccine (allergic reaction), seizures, and all.

I had autistic symptoms before I was vaccinated (<2).

What's this called? It's not science.... It's not a rumor... Conjecture seems to be too strong of a word.... Hype, maybe?

Sooo... If autistism is present with 1-per-250 people, mitochondiral disorders affect 2-per-10,000 autistics, and the vaccines effect 2-per-10 autistics with mitochondrial disorders... Rate of "aggravating" symptoms for vaccines.....? 0.000016%

The 10-20% of autistics with mitochondrial disorders is based on science. The informal study is revelent because the article states only 1 in 5,000 have mitochondrial disorders. Out of 5,000 cases pending, only 1 should have a mitochondrial disorder. Yet, someone called 7 of the people seemingly at random and all 7 had a mitochondrial disorder. That's science and is extremely significant. The odds of that are 1/(5000^7) = 1 in 7.8125E+25 or 1 in 78,125,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.



The article states mitochondiral disorders affect 2-per-10,000 NON-autistics compared to 1 in 7 autistics. A study found that the rate of autism among children born in 1994 was 1 in 150. That would make vaccines aggravate symptoms in 1/(150*7) = 1/1050 or 0.1% which is typical for many of the rare side effects already known to be caused by vaccines.