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Jeyradan
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04 Mar 2008, 6:39 pm

One thing I noticed while reading the school program's website: it is a full-year (well, eleven-month) program.

I think that this could be an amazing thing. When I was in school, I always, always, wished I could join the one in my town. If they are the same type of thing, then they get more short breaks during the year, and only four weeks of summer break (ends up being the same total time).

It has such great benefits as not breaking your routine, not breaking your learning pace (so that you forget things and have to struggle at the start of the year again), allowing you to work at a more relaxed pace if you want to, and leaving short "regroup" breaks throughout the year on a fairly regular basis (such as long weekends or a single week off). You don't get as sick of school because you have those regroup breaks, but on the other hand, summer is shorter so that you don't get sick of it either.



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04 Mar 2008, 7:00 pm

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I know the cons of private school, but can anybody list some pros and cons of private school? My son is having a difficult time in public school, despite his IEP.

I was advised by his doctors at the Center for Autism Spectrum Disorders, that he should be placed in an inclusion class for Aspergers children because he is in the "wrong learning environment." They said he needs to academically challenged and the teaching style should be geared towards his learning style.

I agree, but the only problem is, his school does not offer this. They only have the standard special-ed class with some pretty severely disabled kids and the regular classroom. My son is currently in the regular class, with accommodations. He is also pulled out for extra Math and Writing help.

I am curious to know what any of your experienced may be, regarding placing your kids in private schools. I did find this one school which is supposed to be one of the best in our area. They offer a program specifically for Aspergers kids. Also, does anybody know the process of having the public school pay for private school? Or is that just a pipe dream? Thanks.



Katoo13, you may need another IEP which includes all of your team even medical staff to determine why your son is having problems before you switch schools. And, get the doctor's opinion in writing to submit it to the district. I really think the best environment depends on the kid and the school. We know people who had their kids in private schools, but switched them to public because they lacked programs, resources and they didn't want the kid around the spectrum kids all day. It can really go both ways. It's important to pinpoint the root of the problem, then determine if the private, Asperger school can meet those needs. Or, if things can be changed in his current environment.

Also, if you ever want a public school to pay for a private school, get ready for a huge battle. When public schools were getting up-to-speed with Autism and didn't have any programs for our kids, they were more willing to do this. However, things have changed. If you want the public school to pay for the private school, you need to lawyer-up and start doing the background work. Public schools are not required to fund private education if they have an "appropriate" program to offer. "Appropriate" is the word that the school district will fight you on and the burden is up to the parent and their attorneys to prove otherwise. The fact that they've offered him accommodations means they can say, "We have an appropriate program." In the eyes of the law, it doesn't matter if the program isn't necessarily working. They don't have to have the "best" program or even one that "meets his potential." The law says the program must only be "free and appropriate" and a less-restrictive environment.

In some states, if you go to Due Process with the School District and lose, you are required to pay their legal bills. And, if you win, they are required to pay yours. So, you have to be 100% positive this is the way to go. If you lose, not only does the kid not get the placement, but you can end up $50,000 in debt as well.

Pros of Private: More dynamic curriculum, better student-teacher ratio, parents are more invested since they're paying, less riff-raff due to structure, more supervision.

Cons of Private: Unless it's an Autism/Asperger school, lack of resources, lack of OT/ST/PT, lack of social skills promotion, no alternative testing methods, less experience with disabilities in general, no backup plan of it doesn't work out. At least in the public system the kid can always got back to Special Ed until another solution is found.



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04 Mar 2008, 7:01 pm

I'd like to check out the website. Where's the link?



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04 Mar 2008, 7:46 pm

I've been in public school from Kindergarten to present (10th grade), and have had problems with it since about 5th grade. But would LOVE to go to a private school. Almost 2 years ago, I was a hair widths away from being able to go to Hilltop Preparatory School, at the expense of the public school which I am currently attending. In fact, had it not been for the fact that my parents didn't want to drive/pay for someone to drive me the just under an hour (one-way) trip, I probably would be attending that school right now (I GUESS I can't blame them with how gas is...maybe). I was there for an orientati9on-type thing, and it is a dream(small classes, teachers know you on a personal level, tons of clubs, Awesome campus.)

But I would definitely look into the school- research it, and if possible visit it for a day to see what it is like, before thinking about putting your son their. Also, look at who the school is 'geared' for (super-geniuses, regular people, people with disabilities, etc.)



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04 Mar 2008, 9:02 pm

I've been in Public schools up until the 8th grade, and now spending my high schools in a private school.

I don't recommend either of them, quite frankly, private schools, at least the one I go to, aren't very keen on making accommodations, will rarely listen to a IEP or 504 ((they ignored mine completely.)) Unless you're sending him to an ASD school directly, I'd not recommend a private school.

Also, in the one I'm in, you can get away with murder, and the curriculam isn't too good. Honestly, I'd have to say it's dreadful, the teaching styles aren't too well, and there's relatively no dicipline.


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04 Mar 2008, 9:03 pm

gosh, when i read the topic title, i read "pirate vs. public school" - i want to go to a pirate school! arrrrr!



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04 Mar 2008, 9:17 pm

NewportBeachDude wrote:
I'd like to check out the website. Where's the link?


http://www.ivymount.org/aspabout.html

you can also check out the other links on the top of the site to read more..



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04 Mar 2008, 9:21 pm

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Katoo13, you may need another IEP which includes all of your team even medical staff to determine why your son is having problems before you switch schools. And, get the doctor's opinion in writing to submit it to the district. I really think the best environment depends on the kid and the school. We know people who had their kids in private schools, but switched them to public because they lacked programs, resources and they didn't want the kid around the spectrum kids all day. It can really go both ways. It's important to pinpoint the root of the problem, then determine if the private, Asperger school can meet those needs. Or, if things can be changed in his current environment.

Also, if you ever want a public school to pay for a private school, get ready for a huge battle. When public schools were getting up-to-speed with Autism and didn't have any programs for our kids, they were more willing to do this. However, things have changed. If you want the public school to pay for the private school, you need to lawyer-up and start doing the background work. Public schools are not required to fund private education if they have an "appropriate" program to offer. "Appropriate" is the word that the school district will fight you on and the burden is up to the parent and their attorneys to prove otherwise. The fact that they've offered him accommodations means they can say, "We have an appropriate program." In the eyes of the law, it doesn't matter if the program isn't necessarily working. They don't have to have the "best" program or even one that "meets his potential." The law says the program must only be "free and appropriate" and a less-restrictive environment.

In some states, if you go to Due Process with the School District and lose, you are required to pay their legal bills. And, if you win, they are required to pay yours. So, you have to be 100% positive this is the way to go. If you lose, not only does the kid not get the placement, but you can end up $50,000 in debt as well.

Pros of Private: More dynamic curriculum, better student-teacher ratio, parents are more invested since they're paying, less riff-raff due to structure, more supervision.

Cons of Private: Unless it's an Autism/Asperger school, lack of resources, lack of OT/ST/PT, lack of social skills promotion, no alternative testing methods, less experience with disabilities in general, no backup plan of it doesn't work out. At least in the public system the kid can always got back to Special Ed until another solution is found.


WOW. thank you for all that info! i really appreciate it. my son's doctors are writing a complete report with recommendations for my son. I should have it this week. Upon receipt, I am faxing it over to the team. The special-ed teacher has asked me about it and said we'd "move forward", once he receives it. Not sure what that means...My cousin is actually an attorney. My mom also works at the Bar Foundation for our county. I am a bit weary though about having to incur any of the schools legal bills. I have been documenting everything for the past year...every email, meeting and doctors recommendations have been noted.



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04 Mar 2008, 9:22 pm

HarraArial wrote:
I've been in Public schools up until the 8th grade, and now spending my high schools in a private school.

I don't recommend either of them, quite frankly, private schools, at least the one I go to, aren't very keen on making accommodations, will rarely listen to a IEP or 504 ((they ignored mine completely.)) Unless you're sending him to an ASD school directly, I'd not recommend a private school.



It is an ASD school..

http://www.ivymount.org/aspabout.html



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04 Mar 2008, 9:25 pm

I attended several schools, both public and private (not ASD). For what it is worth, I felt much more protected in private schools and much less in the public ones, although in the public school I realized how different I was and worked on becoming more like the other kids. I don't know if I would have tried so hard if I had stayed in private.

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