Comparing intensity of AS traits

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My mum always compares our AS traits together, but still loves to criticize me as much as possible when I encounter a problem that she can't comprehend

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE I was thinking about this film.

Zonder, I never cared, even as a child what people from my family thought of me; after all they're only dumb hicks whose reactions simply couldn't affect me (it's one of the most illogical things in the universe to create perception of ourselves relying on others' reactions to us; they're only humans not divine entities whose opinions would really matter then). I don't think highly of my mother intellectual capabilities - lol, I'll never forget how I asked her once what her reaction would be like if she found out that our neighbor is homo sapiens - she was flabbergasted I could even think she would mind because according to her own words "she is very tolerant" I'm planning to resign from keeping in touch with the whole family when I emmigrate in the future, I don't see any point in doing it because people come and go all the time doesn't matter if we're speaking of family or acquintances.

Irulan,

Part of the film you referred to was from the one I provided a link to, and the banner underneath THAT one made that look like a spoof. I'm sure it IS cherry picked, and maybe even at least partially staged. For the record, the only one I had trouble with was "coalition of the willing", but I guessed right.

It is HARD to believe that a graduate of like first grade doesn't know how many sides a "TRI-ANGLE" has! Even LOGIC dictates 3 angles means 3 sides. PICTURES make that clear. That is further reinforced with geometry.

Still, on "are you smarter than a fifth grader", when given two angles on a triangle, at least one person said the third angle should be ZERO! It should have been a given that it wasn't 0, just knowing that it was the third angle on a triangle. I guess they imagined the one sided triangle that one of the people on the film you linked to spoke of.

GERMANY a member of the axis of evil? I think someone got confused with the idea of HISTORY! I mean their military was SEVERELY curtailed after WWII. ALSO, their problem really WAS the dictators, and hitler is dead. Someone wants to bomb france? I mean *I* am not to crazy about the way some french act, consider the US, etc... but BOMB THEM? NO WAY! Of course, if we attack germany I guess there might be some collateral damage to france. Just kidding.

GEE, I don't keep up on current events, and HATED history, and I see something like this and just shake my head.

BTW this is MORE evidence that NTs don't necessarily have great memories, and aren't necessarily smart.

As for tony blair, do you think they might be more likely to know "margaret thatcher"?

BTW I haven't known many that I thought had AS. I am not as AS as I was as a kid. MAN, I wish I had a laptop and the internet as a kid. I bet I would have EXCELLED where I am now weak. I have a coworker that, at times, seems VERY intelligent, and other times seems a bit dumb. The more I think about some things, the more I think that this guy, that I THOUGHT was much smarter than I was, might not be all that much smarter. Oh well, like me, he wants to learn as much as he can about things he thinks he needs. I try to improve in areas where I am shown to be weak.

I couldn't reproduce the links you had provided. Even if this film is more or less staged, the truth is that I saw so many examples of stupidity in people in real life that if I had been told about such things before, I would only giggle and stated with full conviction that person must be pulling my leg telling me about them because it's IMPOSSIBLE to be that dumb not being a character of a joke or a comedy. Well, since I saw with my own eyes a girl from my high school unable to locate the South America on the map of the world I am able to believe in everything.




I don't think I ever met someone else who could be suspected of AS by me. Even though I knew few people whose personalities seemed to reflect AS descriptions a bit, these were only traits, nothing more, not enough to be diagnosed - they didn't have social problems, first of all. Here I thought about my distant acquaintance from high school - very smart, very intellectual and always following the path of logic and not knowing any taboo topics but as far as I remember she was normally interacting with other girls from her class.

Having access to the Internet (it will be for 5 years on September) is one of the best things that happened to me - otherwise I couldn't acquire a whole lot of knowledge from all the fields I find interesting. If I got it some years earlier, in primary school, I could have found out about AS earlier too - but on the other hand then I wouldn't know English that well to look for scientific information in that language. And I wouldn't find anything in Polish - even 5 years ago there weren't almost any information about AS, any sites except for one from which I found out about it - I used to play with the thought I could have it but i didn't believe it for about the next 3 years though I thought it would be a good explanation of my quirks.

A funny (or rather pathetic ) situation happened not more than 15 minutes ago that should strenghten your belief that intelligence is a feature that seems relatively rare in people My mother (who doesn't know English) brought me a cup of tea and when her eyes directed towards your avatar, I translated your words about logic and intelligence to her and she noticed (and in her voice there was not even a bit of respect, rather on the opposite ) that "guy is a small kid" (so his opinion concerning serious topics shouldn't be taken into account by me, an adult person - she didn't need to add it). So I tell her: "God, he's 43 now!" Mother: "So how can it be he looks that young"? Now I KNOW that intelligence is more rare I hoped .

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Irulan, how funny, your poor mother. I do still look young for my age, by a few years. There is an adult picture of me in Members Only Discussion; Sticky: Childhood Pics; p. 21. Show her that and see what she says.

Z

P.S. It was a random photo that a friend of mine took - I didn't know it was being taken that's why I was smiling.

"Your poor mother" sounded like "Your poor mother - she has AIDS/cancer/achondroleukodystrophia, how sad" Well, low intelligence is a veritable calamity and I regret it's not considered crime by law or sin by any religion Or at least that it isn't painful. There is a Czech TV series about doctors working in hospital (in the suburbs of Praque if I'm not wrong) from 1970's that was extremely popular here in that time and the most popular sentence that appeared there is known by every Pole from that generation - "If stupidity had wings you would fly like a dove". But my mother isn't such an idiot - you get it; a normal woman who let her intelligence wither due to watching TV in excess - TV is a coffin of minds as I like telling it my students.

Oh dear, I didn't mean it in that way ! I meant that she probably isn't familiar with this website and avatars. My mom can't stand computers and doesn't understand what she is seeing on the screen.

That is a great quote, by the way!

Z

Oh, don't worry My mother is not intelligent, it's a fact not an offence My mother is not into computers and above all she doesn't speak English.

Yeah, that is the SAD thing. Maybe you don't know what I mean by cherry picking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
It is basically picking the ones you want and, often, refers to giving mostly ones that support your view even when most refute your case.

Sadly, I have met TOO MANY VERY stupid people. At least the US is so relatively small and most kids are shown most US maps with no perspective of how it relates to america as a whole, so I could see a lot of people having problems. I don't because I didn't want to be caught in such a position. But the triangle questions, ones about tony blair, george bush, etc....? CRAZY! I'm not that interested in the international scene, yet I knew about margarete thatcher, tony blair, etc... Of course, I never learned about them in school, as it is likely nobody even knew about tony blair then, and I don't think I even heard about ms. thatcher in school.

There WAS a time when the higher paying jobs looked for a highschool diploma, or put more weight on experience. Today, it seems like NOBODY cares about highschool diplomas. They look at a BA/BS like they used to look at a highschool diploma. Many times, they don't even care what the BA/BS is in! The SAD fact is that I have seen MANY that had degrees in computers that knew VERY little about COMPUTERS! Of course, they don't mean you know much about any language, or math, EITHER!

I found the average nurse here to be so inept that it scares me where things are going. LUCKILY, doctors tend to be smarter but, even there, I wonder.

The only saving grace is that it is WORLD WIDE, and not just the US.



I knew some VERY smart and quirky people in school. In my senior year, I remember two that had a kind of affinity for one another. I wouldn't be surprised if they both got married to one another. BOTH seemed to be aloof. I didn't learn too much about the girl, but she seemed to have strong interests, be very smart, etc... The boy was VERY honest, shy, smart, and was VERY interested in computers, computer languages, math, and mazes.

When he saw a computer, he would have it calculate math problems, or do mazes. He was in the math club. BTW he lived with his parents at least well into his twenties. He wasn't dumb or unable to provide though. Last I heard, he was working with high security clearance at JPL(Jet propulsion laboratories) http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm . I know he was telling the truth, I even spoke with an FBI investigator that was trying to see if he was a security risk.

Where I am now, I know one person that basically stims, is aloof, is really into computers, etc... He is VERY self deprecating even though he is acerbic. If my personality as a kid went unchecked, and I had better access as a kid, I would probably be VERY much like he is. STILL, we ARE very similar.

I must admit "cherry picking" wasn't an idiom I was familiar with before. But even if so, the very fact that people having knowledge that rudimentary exist is alarming. Even if it's a small group. Anyway, statistically there must be the whole population of idiots only a small fraction of whom appeared in the film.



The US and its system of education is mocked here as the system that gives only very basic knowledge to its students, limiting it to the borders of their country and events taking place within them. Here people in schools must learn a lot by heart (and there's a lot of useless knowledge) which is also criticised. I must say that many people here don't pay attention to higher education because employers tend to concentrate too much on experience which is also important but experience itself with almost no theoretical knowledge isn't worth much. Students here are getting dumber more and more - I can observe it clearly trying to teach something to my students. In the end of the semester I'll inform them with satisfaction that my "pleasure" of teaching them was comparable with "pleasure" I'd get giving rimjob to someone with diarrhea

Hmm I guess I have hard to judge myself sometimes, since I don't really know how others feel.

Sorry for necromancing the thread. (Irulan told me to do it! )

You have free will so don’t blame me . Anyway raising old threads from the dead from time to time is good – someone new can add their opinion on the topic.

I have trouble comparing my traits to others online. I don't believe I try as hard to fit in as the majority of people on this site. I don't make too many social gaffes because I generally don't say anything if I have even the slightest concern that something I say could lead to embarrassment. I'm quite certain I come off as exceedingly quiet but other than that I don't know.

I seems my worst traits are the hidden traits that mere acquaintances don't even know about. Mainly my rigidity and perfectionism and extreme proneness to frustration. A single fly in the ointment can send me into a complete meltdown where I feel a strong gravitational pull to give up instantly. Yet I try my hardest to hide my frustration around people who I know will simply not get what it's like to be me.

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On the topic of intelligence, one thing that gets to me is how the majority of people are so good at parroting things they hear and fooling people into thinking they know what they're talking about. Yet they can never give any real reasons why they think the things they spout. I'm a sh** communicator but I feel like my rhetorical deficiency helps me think more deeply and more logically and allows me to choose my word more carefully, my own words rather than parroted nonsense. I take more time formulating my words because I feel a need to explain everything leaving less room for ambiguity and questions. I have a very analytical/reductionist thinking style where I break everything down to it's most simple components. It's the only way I know how to think and write. Yet I'm always encountering extremely opinionated people who have lots of rote knowledge yet have no inkling as to why they believe what they believe to be true.

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