It's Asperger's SYNDROME and not DISORDER, GRRRRR!! !! !

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18 Mar 2008, 8:38 pm

Send a letter to the editor. Here's what it should look like (you'll probably want to change around a few things, and maybe embellish a bit).

While reading a recent article entitled <insert article title here> I noticed that it repeatedly referred to Asperger's Syndrome as "Asperger's disorder". It is important to use the correct terminology since while there are certainly drawbacks to having it there are also major benefits, such as enhanced mathematical abilities. Also the article failed to mention that the increasing occurrence of Asperger's Syndrome could simply be due to people becoming better at recognizing it. Indeed it wasn't even officially recognized by the medical community until the mid 90's. So teachers may have not heard of it when they started because there wasn't even a name for it then.



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18 Mar 2008, 8:39 pm

Ummm....no

They just told me they'd never really heard of it before now, and truth be told, most people haven't.

I also don't think she'll try the controlling stuff on me anytime soon- her ex before me was a controlling schmuck who physically and verbally abused her, cheated on her, lost her her job and her money, and more- got thrown in jail for it...and blamed it all on her.



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18 Mar 2008, 8:42 pm

The_Cucumber wrote:
Send a letter to the editor. Here's what it should look like (you'll probably want to change around a few things, and maybe embellish a bit).

While reading a recent article entitled <insert article title here> I noticed that it repeatedly referred to Asperger's Syndrome as "Asperger's disorder". It is important to use the correct terminology since while there are certainly drawbacks to having it there are also major benefits, such as enhanced mathematical abilities. Also the article failed to mention that the increasing occurrence of Asperger's Syndrome could simply be due to people becoming better at recognizing it. Indeed it wasn't even officially recognized by the medical community until the mid 90's. So teachers may have not heard of it when they started because there wasn't even a name for it then.


That's great! That's about the gist of the email that I sent to the reporter who wrote the articles. But you have a good point in that a letter to the editor might be even better and would certainly help to counteract at least somewhat the misinformation and negative perceptions the article helped to perpetuate.


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18 Mar 2008, 8:44 pm

TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ummm....no

They just told me they'd never really heard of it before now, and truth be told, most people haven't.

I also don't think she'll try the controlling stuff on me anytime soon- her ex before me was a controlling schmuck who physically and verbally abused her, cheated on her, lost her her job and her money, and more- got thrown in jail for it...and blamed it all on her.


I'm not necessarily talking about controlling. I'm talking about lack of understanding and acceptance, there's a difference.


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18 Mar 2008, 8:47 pm

No no- she's one of the warmest, most accepting and understanding individuals I've ever met.



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18 Mar 2008, 9:00 pm

Here in the States, the official name is Asperger's Disorder, though this will likely change with the release of the DSM-V in 2012. I disagree with both the "disorder" and "syndrome" terminology; really syndrome is certainly not any less negative than disorder. All major researchers into Asperger's have concluded that it is a difference, not a defect. I believe nominalist has suggested referring to it as Asperger's Autism, which seems reasonable to me. Since most researchers seem to consider that the differences between AS and HFA are minimal to nonexistent, I personally think it makes the most sense just to lump Asperger's in with HFA.

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They wouldn't happen to be members of that hate group, FAAAS, would they? How terrible for them to talk that way to you.

Interesting, I had not heard about that group until now. Rather strange group of people; they state that their goal is essentially to help all those poor people who have to deal with us mean Aspies. :cry: Rather pathetic bunch of people, if you ask me. They need to stop whining and get on with their lives; and if they think Asperger's is such a problem, they should focus on helping the person "afflicted" (their word, not mine) with it rather than only worrying about themselves.


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18 Mar 2008, 9:09 pm

OK, lets le GOOGLE decide!

disorder=181000
syndrom=117000 <<<<Mainly german and misspellings only
syndrome=993000

It looks like syndrome WINS! Even the german centric spelling almost ties with disorder!



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18 Mar 2008, 9:11 pm

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No no- she's one of the warmest, most accepting and understanding individuals I've ever met.


GREAT, so glad to hear it; especially since it's so hard for us to find that in relationships with NT's.


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18 Mar 2008, 9:14 pm

Gillberg's criteria and the DSM-IV-TR both call it disorder; that's 2 to 1 for the ICD-10 (which I knew called it syndrome).

Personally, I think it'll still be called Asperger's disorder in the DSM-V; they'll just change the diagnostic criteria around, or make sure to explain the differences between the manifestation of autistic disorder and Asperger's in clear text, rather than all over the place (they say that the IV-TR is there to bridge the gap between the new one, so it shouldn't change too much).

beau99, psychiatrists and psychologists are the "experts" who diagnose ASDs; neurologists can, but people with ASDs aren't usually sent to them.



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18 Mar 2008, 9:29 pm

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Gillberg's criteria and the DSM-IV-TR both call it disorder; that's 2 to 1 for the ICD-10 (which I knew called it syndrome).

Personally, I think it'll still be called Asperger's disorder in the DSM-V; they'll just change the diagnostic criteria around, or make sure to explain the differences between the manifestation of autistic disorder and Asperger's in clear text, rather than all over the place (they say that the IV-TR is there to bridge the gap between the new one, so it shouldn't change too much).

beau99, psychiatrists and psychologists are the "experts" who diagnose ASDs; neurologists can, but people with ASDs aren't usually sent to them.

But almost all doctors and researchers call it syndrome. Most of the medical literature calls it syndrome. Some committee working for the APA isn't exactly the authoritative word on terminology. The DSM-V will most likely change it to syndrome, or else just have a completely crazy reorganization of the entire autistic/PDD spectrum. The DSM-IV-TR was not significantly different from the DSM-IV; really it was mainly to fix typos, clean up grammar, that kind of menial stuff. The DSM-V is a major revision, and can be expected to include some dramatic changes.


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18 Mar 2008, 9:48 pm

Orwell wrote:
... disagree with both the "disorder" and "syndrome" terminology; really syndrome is certainly not any less negative than disorder. All major researchers into Asperger's have concluded that it is a difference, not a defect. ....


Syndrome has a connotation of being unusual. Disorder sounds like something WRONG!



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18 Mar 2008, 11:37 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Orwell wrote:
... disagree with both the "disorder" and "syndrome" terminology; really syndrome is certainly not any less negative than disorder. All major researchers into Asperger's have concluded that it is a difference, not a defect. ....


Syndrome has a connotation of being unusual. Disorder sounds like something WRONG!

Yes, because most people get nice warm fuzzy feelings when they think of Down Syndrome. :roll: Syndrome and disorder both mean that something is wrong, which I do not consider to be necessarily the case in Asperger's.


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18 Mar 2008, 11:53 pm

Syndrome, Disorder - Tomato, Tomotto - Potato, Poetato
I sort of thought they were the same thing, although
disorder sounds like something is broken, when it isn't



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19 Mar 2008, 12:41 am

Orwell,

Yeah, many researchers do, but that's not saying much (many call it "disorder" too, but with a quick perusal, most use "syndrome"); don't forget that researchers brought up the whole LFA/HFA drivel.

I'll post the quote when I feel like typing from another page; the DSM-IV-TR includes a whole heap of added information that's pertinent to the diagnosis and manifestation of Asperger's to aid in clearing up confusion, and also to bridge the gap in time between the DSM-V as it was delayed. There's confusion between many professionals as they look at the diagnostic criteria of AS and AD, and then they feel that AS appears the same as AD but without a delay in language development and imaginative play; they then see that the criteria states no problems in communication and self-help skills, but as everyone knows, people with AS have such. The -TR clarifies the points by stating that yes, people with AS do have peculiarities of language, but it's not of note compared to the severity of AD; the self-help skills that it speaks of are severe and many times life threatening without intervention in AD, not putting on one's socks before their shoes for example doesn't count in AD.

As an aside, I feel pretty damn disordered; whether I'm called Asperger's disorder/syndrome, autistic disorder, or super-genius-delusions-of-grandeur-next-evolutionary-step person.



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19 Mar 2008, 1:06 am

I don't like the term Asperger's at all. I've been under the impression that Asperger's is used as a cloak by people who want to hide the fact they have Autism. Be proud, tell people you are on the Autism Spectrum. Education is the only way we're going to change the publics warped view of autism.



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19 Mar 2008, 7:45 am

Anyway, Asperger's is a form of autism...

so what to call autism?

Is it a syndrome, a disorder... the same thing will be true for Asperger's.

In German it's 'tiefgreifende Entwicklungsstörung'

Which translates into pervasive development disorder anyway. AS/autism = PDDs.


What I don't understand is: Why should autistic people get off differently than those with other disorders?


By the way: Asperger himself did write "autistic psychopathy" but always in quotation "". He lacked a word he deemed fit.