Pathological Lying and Aspergerians. Possible?

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I don't make things up about myself. I am always honest.

I have lied before on accident but I have learned it's not a lie if it wasn't intentional. Like if I say I was going to go shopping but then something else came up so I couldn't do it, that's not a lie I just did.
It's only a lie if it was done intentionally. I tell my boyfriend I will shop on Monday or Tuesday and those days come and I decide not to do it. That will be a lie.


But I am capable of lying. I have done it before. I used to lie all the time to keep me out of trouble. I would do things and when I see my mother yelling about "Who did this" I'd blame it on my brothers thinking I won't get in trouble but most of the time she always knew it was me. I also used to do things to get my brothers in trouble for revenge because they touched my doll house or my other stuff. Then they learned not to touch my stuff.

i was only child at those times so i was in trouble a lot...though i still tryet to blame a dog

So is that why I'm a bad liar . Yet, I've also lied successfully when I felt it was a threatening situation. I pulled it off many times when I was under stress. Funny thing is, they say if you're under stress, it's harder to lie .

It's my running joke to use with people that I feel I stopped developing before one learns deceit; I don't know what it is, or why someone would use it.

My father who most likely has "mild" AS could lie; so that's 1 for and 1 against in my [subjective] view.

I "usually" tell the truth, it seems much more natural than to lie. This has got me into trouble sometimes, because people aren't always wanting you to tell them the truth. A girlfriend once asked me if I loved her. I instantly replied, quite truthfully "No, but I like you". At which point she cried and it all became very messy and awkward. I didn't realise that her "question" wasn't so much a question as a request for reassurance.

I can't lie to save my life. If my wife asks me if I've eaten the last chocolate bar in the fridge it is useless trying to deny it because she can tell I'm lying. Trouble is I tend to look and act guilty even if I haven't done something.

I (think) I can lie well about minor things, but I don't even know whether I am AS or a weird NT. I usually tell white lies like NTs but not as much as most.
Apparently I look suspicious when I'm telling the truth, though... no eye contact and probably looking at the floor.

I used to tell all these stories about my family involving my made-up brother and sister and pets to my autistic friend at the after-school daycare when I was in grade 3. I started telling this new daycare worker about it too. Once I told her that when my brother wouldn't eat his cereal my dad took him up to the bathroom, stood him in the bathtub and poured it over his head, declaring that if he wouldn't eat it he would wear it. I had gotten that from Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing, a book my cousin had brought to my place once and my mother read it to us. I thought it was a good story. The teacher/daycare worker/whatever said, "What? Your father really did that to your brother?" and sounded all concerned and as if my father wasn't very compassionate. The head of the daycare said she thought I was the only child at home and I think she thought my parents might have lied to them for some reason. I was embarrassed about my boring only-child life. I didn't want people to know about it. So I made up stuff. The new worker asked why I said that but she was really nice and understanding and didn't think anything of it. I said it was a story. They asked when I was going to stop telling it. I said something like when the story was over but I don't think I got to say even that.

Yes, excessive lying - not sure about pathological lying - is possible.

Nothing fancy, I just inherited the affinity for lying.

I'm consciously brutally honest. When I consider what to say, I only consider the truth. However, I lie without realising it until I have vocalised the lie. It happens often. Lying comes easy and without a second thought.

The book Finding Ben describes a boy later diagnosed with Asperger's and NLD (his nonverbal IQ was zero or close to it, his verbal IQ was astronomical), who lied as a means of dealing with difficult situations, he acted out his fantasies of having friends and doing well in school and got a reputation as a chronic liar for it.

Tony Attwood discusses this as a possibility for some autistic people.

I happen to think acting out a fantasy life is a bit different than the usual kind of "pathological lying", though. I've known real pathological liars. I am not sure if I've ever known an autistic one, but the non-autistic ones were doing something very different than just saying what they wished was true to compensate for something else.

As far as connective tissue goes, if we have so much connective tissue why is it that lax joints (which are often related to general disorders of connective tissue such as Marfan's) are a common feature (again, at least according to Attwood)?

There's a distinctive way in which pathological liars lie? That's interesting. How do they lie? The majority of about normal people do lie in a certain way themselves.

Most people will lie in a way like 'the dog ate my homework'. They create completely fabricated story. People usually go with something blatant. I'm amazed by the sheer creativity they seemingly have to come up with such utter ridiculous stories. That kind of lying ultimately ends in a web of lies that will lead to mass contradictions.

I noticed for I do this the other way round. I cannot believe in stories. I twist reality. I may even mention the truth, but what I tell will be an altered viewpoint and a different reality.

I am rubbish at lying, in fact I am rubbish at telling the truth! What I mean by that is people often don't believe me even when I am telling the truth This is partly because I often lose my way when recalling a sequence of events. Then I'll tell someone else and I might have better recall or correct something I said earlier. Then it seems like I am changing my story but really its because I have a poor memory especially in face to face encounters where I have to verbalise stuff. Then I'll act defensively when people seem to question me, this puts me under stress so I mess up my recollection even more!

I don't know anything about pathologolical lying, but lying in general (IMO) is learned behavior. ASpies can learn such behavior as children as well as anyone else in the world, especially if it's an attempt to get themselves out of trouble. People with AS aren't Vulcans like Mr. Spock from Star Trek, they are capable of lying. I agree, though, I don't think I ever read about nor heard of a person with some kind of ASD who was also a pathological liar.

I don't believe that.

If anything, people with ASD get in more trouble because they are compulsive truth tellers.

I think pathological lying is a mental illness. People with it feel they have to lie in order to get people to like them, notice them, think they are better people, etc. I knew a boy in my group therapy who lied. He always made stuff up. If people got mad at him or didn't like him because of his lying, he thought he had to make up a better story so he keep on doing. It looks like an illness to me. A normal person would figure out, lying doesn't solve the problem, it makes people not like you and it doesn't make you a better person.


My aspie mate also lied too. He lied to me all the time and I found out lot of things he said to me were all lies just by talking to his mother. I don't know why he lied but it proves aspies can lie too even if the books say they are unable to lie, they are very honest and blunt.