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08 May 2008, 12:41 am

I seem to get myself into positions where I'm being taken advantage of, but it's mostly due to my avoidance of conflict, which means staying in bad situations long after I'm sure I want out. Most recently, I ended up supporting a chronically underemployed neice and grandnephew who came to visit for a couple of weeks and ended up staying for years. Then she moved her disabled and psychologically abusive mother (my older sister -- she can be a lot of fun, or very toxic) in with us "just for two weeks, I promise." Just over a year later, I managed to get them all moved out. I still have trouble blaming them for taking advantage of me, although my brother says they'll just find someone else to sponge off of now.

There also seems to be a problem with the way I communicate my needs verbally. My boss always told me to just let him know when I needed help in my area, and I thought I was doing that, but he never seemed to get the idea until I hit the wall and threw a fit. Then he'd always ask me why I didn't tell him I was overstressed. I finally learned to write a formal memo whenever I have a problem, explaining the issue, offering a solution and inviting feedback. Our company has a very informal culture, but I seem to get my point across more clearly in formal writing.

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08 May 2008, 2:08 am

ive been exployted all my life, i use that now to judge people. when i first meet some one i let them exployt me
just see if they will, if they do then i pretend i have no idea that i know they are. once they think i have no idea
there tru self comes out. i find it the qwickest and easyist way to get to know some one. it works realy well
for me and amuses me no end.
give em an inch and they will take a mile :lol:



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08 May 2008, 2:27 am

If you mean taken advantage of, the answer is yes.


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08 May 2008, 4:02 am

I have been exploited/ taken advantage of quite often. What this has done is slowly erode my trust in other people.


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09 May 2008, 10:20 am

Speckles wrote:
... What I mean by blatent documentation is creating a record of any exchanges that I feel that I may be exploited in a way that's obvious to the other person. So, in Fnord's case, I'd do stuff like carrying around a dictaphone all day, and recording little reminders for myself about stuff, including quick summaries of the details of work related discussions; the important thing is to do this about everything, so they can't accuse you of targeting them, but also to do the quick summaries of the conversation in an obvious manner so they can't miss that it has been documented. The next time someone steals your idea, go to someone else all concerned and say that you think that So-and-so may have used your idea and forgotten to credit you, and show them the person's report and the record of your conversation. If they agree, go on about how you're sure that it's an honest mistake, but you're a bit afraid to confront them, could you come with me? Then when I confront So-and-so, I act very concerned and hurt. The guilt plus the evidence plus the witness pretty much makes him cave, at which point I start insisting that he write a quick email to the boss to clarify the matter.



I document everything. All my emails, all my memos, all directions and orders are written down. Yet even the people who could do something about the exploitation won't because they and the people doing the exploiting are all old college buddies. I have taken to keeping two sets of books -- one (the Draft set) contains about 90% of the knowledge I've gleaned about the company, yet it is unorganized and includes a lot of 'filler' material. The second set (the Archive set), which I have encrypted on my thumb drive, is the refined version, complete with pictures, diagrams, and the remaining 10%. None but I see this second version.

A voice recorder might be a good idea ... until I get caught using it. Some folks don't take very kindly to 'listening devices' and the like, especially when what they record could be used out of context against them.



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09 May 2008, 1:12 pm

That's why you be very obvious about it. If it's obvious to them that they're being recorded at the time, then there's nothing to be caught 'at'. The point isn't really to catch them at anything, but to make them aware that what they say is being documented. If you re-read my post, you might see that I'm not saying to actually record them, but to record yourself giving a quick summary of what was talked about, making sure that they can hear you do it.

I agree, it's not an ideal solution. In the right context it works really well, in others it's a horrible idea.

I'm a bit worried that my next suggestion may be a 'teach granny to suck eggs' statement, since you probably know more about documentation then I do, and you definately know more about your situation at work.

Have you made it clear that you have been documenting things, and that if pushed you will use it against them? That's really what I meant by 'blatent' documentation. If people aren't aware that their behaviour carries consequences, then they're not going to change their ways. It also doesn't matter how big a stick you have, if no-one believes you're going to use it.

I also want to point out that you have at least one other weapon - you are an ideas person. If engineers are consistantly going to you for ideas, then you can choose not to talk to them if you don't like their actions. I personally wouldn't be aggressive about it, I'd just mention that friendship is a two-way street. Point out what you believe they stole, and simply say that if they aren't willing to credit you, why should you continue to help them? After all, you're only a lowly technician - how could your ideas possibly be of use to them?

What ever threat you make, be sure to carry through with it if your demands are not addressed. If you're a whore, at least be a classy one, who gets some respect.



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09 May 2008, 1:52 pm

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Have you made it clear that you have been documenting things, and that if pushed you will use it against them?


Not explicitely, but when there is any dispute over who said what and when they said it, I'm the one that provides that info ... whether they ask for it or not.

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If engineers are consistantly going to you for ideas, then you can choose not to talk to them if you don't like their actions.


I have but two choices: give them the information they want when they want it, or deal with their elitist attitudes when I do not.

However, it invokes a bit of schadenfreund to watch them bicker amongst themselves as to which one has the greater need of my services.

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What ever threat you make, be sure to carry through with it if your demands are not addressed.


I make no threats, as doing so might give them reason to believe that I am playing them. I merely give my word, and then follow through. It is my integrity and the accuracy and timeliness of my services that has kept me on when others of my classification and pay grade have been 'downsized' in recent years.

Of course, that is the same process that has left me to be one of the very few eclectic technicians in a building full of elitist engineers.



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09 May 2008, 10:51 pm

a few times. I remmeber people tricking me Freshman year in HS to taking the garbage for a table I went to...

thankfully SWIM doesn't drag me into SWIM's activities, so I'm not afraid of SWIM screwing me over and SWIM won't drag me into anything if SWIM does anything incriminating/gets caught, SWM stated it several times (hey! SWIM wouldn't be my best friend if SWIM did :P :wink: 8) ). This is the few times I'm with SWIM and SWIM's conducting those activites, I ignore it. Really glad I don't have to do any concious-bending (well more like fear-drenched) decisions.

EDIT: SWIM=Someone Who Isn't Me


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09 May 2008, 10:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
Of course, that is the same process that has left me to be one of the very few eclectic technicians in a building full of elitist engineers.


Hmm...how many of the engineers there have Autism as well?

Also, I didn't know Engineers were elitist to technicians, is it many of just a specialized (local) thing that occurs in your building?


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11 May 2008, 10:24 am

Warsie wrote:
Also, I didn't know Engineers were elitist to technicians, is it many of just a specialized (local) thing that occurs in your building?


It's the same attitude that my friends who are nurses relate about the doctors they work with. Physicians and engineers seem to not want to dirty their hands with the scut work; the breeze in to the work center whenever they feel like it, make a lot of noise, rearrange the duties, and then breeze back out. Of course, when there are heroic efforts to be made, it is the engineers who either claim to have made them, or who claim to have directed the effort.

And this has occurred everywhere I've worked with engineers, and it is not just me, either.

Now, there are some engineers who are actuallt nice, but they seem to be a very rare breed - at leat in my experience.

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