Psychoticism (P) and the "autistic personality"

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Are you high P?
I'm on the spectrum and high P (above average) 40%  40%  [ 28 ]
I'm on the spectrum and medium or low P 39%  39%  [ 27 ]
I'm not on the spectrum or don't feel like answering this question but want to see the results 21%  21%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 70

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09 May 2008, 9:23 pm

All I have is Safari. I'm poor. But in the past most people haven't had problems. And the one guy who did couldn't tell me which browser he had.



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09 May 2008, 9:28 pm

Ok, I do have Firefox, too (didn't though when I wrote up the pages) and I just tested and Firefox worked just fine. (Firefox 2.0.0.7)



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09 May 2008, 9:45 pm

I got:

Extraversion: 2
Psychoticism: 14
Neuroticism: 20
Lie scale: 4

is 14 in Psychoticism considered a high P?



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09 May 2008, 10:02 pm

Yes, 14 is pretty high. It's not normally distributed, so hardly anyone gets superhigh scores.



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09 May 2008, 11:05 pm

Anemone wrote:
Ok, I do have Firefox, too (didn't though when I wrote up the pages) and I just tested and Firefox worked just fine. (Firefox 2.0.0.7)

Try this (I tested it in Firefox 2.0.0.14, Windows Internet Explorer 7.0, and Opera 9.0 for Windows):
Code:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html>
  <head>
    <title>Eysenck Personality Questionnaire &ndash; Revised (EPQ&ndash;R)</title>
    [script type="text/javascript"]
      var MAX_QUESTIONS = 98;

      // The scales
      var ext = 0;
      var neur = 0;
      var psych = 0;
      var lie = 0;

      function resetTally()
      {
        ext = 0;
        neur = 0;
        psych = 0;
        lie = 0;
      }

      function tally(value)
      {
        if (value == "ext")
        {
          ext++;
        }
        else if (value == "neur")
        {
          neur++;
        }
        else if (value == "psych")
        {
          psych++;
        }
        else if (value == "lie")
        {
          lie++;
        }
        // Debug condition
        else if (value != "true" && value != "false")
        {
          alert("Unexpected value: " + value);
        }
      }

      function calculate()
      {
        var form = document.getElementById("mainForm").elements;
        var i = 0;
        var fail = false;

        resetTally();

        for (i = 0; i < MAX_QUESTIONS; i++)
        {
          var yesNode = document.getElementById("question" + i + ".true");
          var noNode = document.getElementById("question" + i + ".false");
          // Debug condition
          if (yesNode == null || noNode == null)
          {
            alert("No Question " + (i + 1));
            break;
          }

          if (yesNode.checked)
          {
            tally(yesNode.value);
          }
          else if (noNode.checked)
          {
            tally(noNode.value);
          }
          // Question validation
          else
          {
            alert("You have not answered Question " + (i + 1) + "!");
            yesNode.focus();
            fail = true;
            break;
          }
        }
        if (!fail)
        {
          alert("Your scores:\n" +
            "Extraversion: " + ext + "\n" +
            "Neuroticism: " + neur + "\n" +
            "Psychoticism: " + psych + "\n" +
            "Lie Scale: " + lie
          );
          return true;
        }
        return false;
      }
    [/script]
   </head>
  <body>
    <form action="#" id="mainForm">
        <label for="yourName">Name/Pseudonym:</label>
        <input type="text" id="yourName" name="yourName" />
        <ol>
          <li>
            Do you have many different hobbies?
            <br />
            <input type="radio" name="question0" value="ext" id="question0.true" />
            <label for="question0.true">Yes</label>
            <input type="radio" name="question0" value="false" id="question0.false" />
            <label for="question0.false">No</label>
          </li>
          <li>
            Do you stop to think things over before doing anything?
            <br />
            <input type="radio" name="question1" value="true" id="question1.true" />
            <label for="question1.true">Yes</label>
            <input type="radio" name="question1" value="psych" id="question1.false" />
            <label for="question1.false">No</label>
          </li>
        </ol>
        <button type="submit" onclick="return calculate();">Submit</button>
    </form>
  </body>
</html>

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10 May 2008, 7:13 am

And it's clear from that code that the results of the questionnaire are not scientific. They just add up the points.



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10 May 2008, 8:01 am

should i be worried? :?
i got 23/24 psychoticism


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10 May 2008, 10:08 am

Anemone wrote:
Here's his short description of traits found in people high in psychoticism (P):
aggressive; cold; egocentric; impersonal; impulsive; antisocial; unempathic; creative; tough-minded


That's pretty much my description... It's interesting thou I am not sure I have AS or Bipolar disorder, I am ADHD and sometimes I show signs of schyzoid... I am highly extroverted and I am not antisocial... but I am too much to bare for the average people.

I scored more NT than AS... so I believe the so called spectrum is a thin line and there is no scientific approach to identify this neurological or developmental disorders and syndromes.



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10 May 2008, 10:09 am

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should i be worried?
i got 23/24 psychoticism


Wow, that's high! Don't know what to tell you. Frame it and put it on your wall, maybe.

EDIT: that must be neuroticism, not psychoticism. Much more common. Means you're high strung.


Does anyone want to comment on the theory behind this, by any chance?



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10 May 2008, 12:46 pm

Anemone wrote:
Here's his short description of traits found in people high in psychoticism (P):
aggressive; cold; egocentric; impersonal; impulsive; antisocial; unempathic; creative; tough-minded

Most of these better describe a person with an antisocial personality disorder or psychopathy than someone with a schizotypal personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, schizophrenia, or some other psychotic disorder. Really, psychoticism isn't much more than a combination of low conscientiousness and low agreeableness from the Big Five model of personality.



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10 May 2008, 4:18 pm

Eysenck was a f***en Moron, we covered this schmuck along with other idiots like Lombroso for Sociology on deviancy!

Nothing but stupid reprehensible theories!



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10 May 2008, 5:24 pm

Orwell wrote:
Badly flawed tests because it used too many absolutes. You have to have a wider range of possible responses and clearer questions for it to have any validity.


I agree, I don't think the result of this test has any real, scientific, value.

Anyways; my score:

Extraversion: 5
Psychoticism: 8
Neuroticism: 17
Lie scale: 3



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10 May 2008, 7:02 pm

Remember they are using 'psychoticism' and 'neuroticism' as personality traits, NOT mental illnesses. So if you score very high or low, you are more likely to have a personality disorder, but it's nowhere near certain. You could just have an atypical personality... though you could be more prone to a mental illness with such an atypical personality. Answering a question like, "I have many enemies" in the affirmative could mean that you're a little paranoid--or it could mean you're a corporate executive or a politician.

I think it was really pretty stupid of them to call their personality traits the same things the two major categories of mental illness were called those days. And they really didn't take autism into account--schizoid personality disorder has a lot in common with autism, if you are an introvert, but they have different causes. SPD assumes you are able to, but simply not interested in, social interaction...

So here's the weird thing: I scored only a 6 in neuroticism, but I've been diagnosed with major depression! Of course I am between episodes right now... if I am lucky I won't have another, but the odds say I will. I did answer honestly.

Oh, and speaking of honesty? Some of those questions were very obviously from the lie scale, meant to detect whether you were trying to make yourself look good... the thing is, I know there were a couple of them that I answered the way most people, if honest, would never answer: For example, "I have never taken advantage of anyone." I can't recall a single incident in which I have, not because I'm especially "good" but because I am extremely sensitive to the very idea of feeling betrayed or disappointed, to the extent that the idea of causing someone else to feel that way is just plain abhorrent to me. But most people have, on occasion, done something however minor that does take advantage of somebody. So realistically you can't assume that your lie scale is going to actually mean that the person lied on every one of those items. Most people will probably give at least one, if not more, honest but favorable answer.

P 12
E 3
N 6
L 6


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10 May 2008, 8:16 pm

Callista wrote:
Remember they are using 'psychoticism' and 'neuroticism' as personality traits, NOT mental illnesses.

Extreme values on personality dimensions tend to imply some psychiatric disorder, particularly a personality disorder.



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10 May 2008, 10:10 pm

Anemone wrote:
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should i be worried?
i got 23/24 psychoticism


Wow, that's high! Don't know what to tell you. Frame it and put it on your wall, maybe.

EDIT: that must be neuroticism, not psychoticism. Much more common. Means you're high strung.


Does anyone want to comment on the theory behind this, by any chance?


soo... im an @$$ :(


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10 May 2008, 10:41 pm

Extroversion: 7 out of 23. [pretty low]

Psychotism: 9 out of 24. [sort of low]

Neuroticism: 16 out of 22 [kind of high]

Lie Scale: 3 out of 21. [very low]

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Interesting test, and I've taken a few like it over the years while the docs were trying to figure out if I was schizophrenic back when I was in my late teens. I guess the 'Neuroticism' figure means I'm highly unstable (Psychologically? Emotionally? Both?], which comes are no real surprise. I'm sort of surprised at the somewhat low score on the psychoticism scale - being as I was thought for many years to be schizotypal, and I do have a lot of schizotypal tendencies to this day. However, the AS is still there, and may have been the underlying cause for everything else that's 'wrong' wth me. Interesting post & poll, thanks for sharing it.


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