Is social IQ a reliable indicator of overall IQ?

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Mw99
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14 May 2008, 8:06 pm

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I agree with the "inversely proportional" idea, to a point. The NT brain is specialized to socialize: They are hard-wired to learn language, to recognize faces, the judge facial expression, and to recognize the human figure. However, they aren't hard-wired to do mathematics, or to learn to read, or to solve puzzles. The hardware's there; but the software has to be built up through practice.

Now take someone who isn't as good at those IQ-test type tasks as most people. Let's say he scores an 80 on an IQ test. He's not all that good at math or reading or puzzle-solving... but his brain is still hard-wired, like most NT brains are, to learn to socialize. And that means he will specialize in socializing, unless he is forced to or greatly desires to specialize in something else, because socializing has by default become his strength. If his IQ were average--if he were as good at the abstract tasks as most people--he might be more of a generalist; but with an IQ of 80, he gravitates towards his strengths and learns more than most people... ending up with a "social IQ" of maybe 120.

That effect only holds true up to a certain point, of course, because there are abstract-reasoning aspects to socializing--remembering names, understanding pop-culture references, having a serviceable vocabulary. But still, in people who are across-the-board delayed in abstract, logical, IQ test type tasks, the socializing "wiring" of the brain is not necessarily delayed by nearly as much... resulting in things like a charming Down Syndrome child with social skills hardly delayed at all. (I do think this is where some of the acceptance of people with mental retardation has lately come from--that they have social skills enough to communicate to other people that they are undeniably human. The other part is of course the impulse to protect a child who is more vulnerable than other children, and it doesn't apply as much to adults.)

Are people with very high IQs socially delayed even without autism? They can be, but only through lack of practice. A very high IQ isolates a child from his peers because he is interested in more complex things than they are interested in. And a high IQ can be seen as intimidating. Many gifted children hide their giftedness just for that reason--they want to be accepted, seen as normal. However, many gifted people are also highly social; these people often make good leaders because they are not just socially perceptive but have a good grasp of problem-solving as well.


Beautiful post. Only an aspie could have written it :D



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14 May 2008, 8:34 pm

In my experience, the average NT tends to assume that if a person has low social skills it means that the person is unintelligent.

NTs lack the innate ability to distinguish charisma from intelligence from wisdom. I used to point them to the AD&D Player's Handbook. Now I at least have the social skills not to do that.

I have seen this happen so many times I can't help but wonder how good of an indicator of overall IQ social IQ is. What if the NTs are right and 99 times out of 100 social IQ accurately reflects overall IQ?

Then all is lost. :roll: Many a test has blown its poor curve out on me, despite my inability to socialize, or because of it. I pay attention to what is being taught, doodle, and write down questions while they socialize and flirt.

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14 May 2008, 9:45 pm

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I believe I have heard they correlate positively in the population in general.


I have heard the same thing - that in most people, social intelligence and IQ are roughly equal. When a person has a large gap between their IQ and SQ, it is a sign of a disorder/difference (whatever you want to call it) such as AS.

So in other words, social intelligence is a fairly good indicator of IQ in the NT population, but it is not a good indicator of IQ if the person has AS or another condition that interferes with social interaction.

If I can find the source of that info, I'll post it.



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14 May 2008, 9:52 pm

I think that SQ and IQ are not one and the same.



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14 May 2008, 9:56 pm

I have known absolute morons, who were the most socially charming and gregarious people I have ever met. Sometimes people who have an exceptional IQ are just going to be socially inept, some are lucky and have both social skills and high IQ



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16 May 2008, 4:12 pm

There may be some marginal correlation because increased intelligence can be beneficial socially. That said, the extremely socially adept are usually more intelligent than average, but they're obviously not in a lab finding a cure for cancer because they're out socializing instead. The kind of behavior necessary for genius usually interferes with normal socializing. Obviously in aspies intelligence is not correlated with IQ (although increased IQ seems to lead to increasing compensation skills).