"you don't have autism, you're not like my brother"

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Danielismyname
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16 May 2008, 4:25 am

beau99 wrote:
Yes, the majority of them.

Asperger's original patients would more or less be considered "low-functioning" if they were alive today.


Which is wrong.

Kanner's children were socially aloof, whereas Asperger's, no matter a [short] delay in language or their cognitive pattern, participated in social interaction, albeit oddly. Kanner's also used speech in a way that wasn't socially communicative, Asperger's did. Children with Kanner's usually develop speech, and use it to communicate (it's around 4 for HFA), but they still have social "aloneness" in most cases after developing speech.

This social aloneness compared to social oddness is what separates the two in the majority of cases (as well as how the repetitive behaviours manifest).



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16 May 2008, 8:43 am

I TRIED to tell them there were many different types of 'autism', and that I was obviously not low functioning, i tried to.I really did.But he didn't give me the fricking time of day.I'm not talking about all those literal details, because when you really think about it, and aspie is an autistic who chose to do things a bit differently.

i'm not trying to compare myself to the two, I'm not comparing myself to LFA.I would never in a million years do that.What is everyones obsessions with LFA people? the way i see it that whatever functioning level your at, all it gives you is a name and a list of things you're supposed to do to fit that label.Isn't it true that a struggling aspie with no support system what-so-ever is more disabled then an LFA with every support system possibly possible?

God dammit.I told him that i was autistic cause he seemed like one of the people that could semi-understand me.I was wrong.

Apparently i socialize perfectly.He didn't give me the chance to tell him that just because i socialize perfectly doesn't mean it's easier for me, just I've been doing it a really long time.

But i couldn't tell him that.He was busy going on about brain malfunctions and eye-contact for that.


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16 May 2008, 8:48 am

Did you tell your friend you have AS?


Some people see autism and AS are totally different.



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16 May 2008, 8:49 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
Did you tell your friend you have AS?


Some people see autism and AS are totally different.


I tried too.


He woulsn't listen, and we had to go to class.


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16 May 2008, 9:04 am

was told i barely have it because I make Eye contact.



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16 May 2008, 12:19 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
beau99 wrote:
Yes, the majority of them.

Asperger's original patients would more or less be considered "low-functioning" if they were alive today.


Which is wrong.

Kanner's children were socially aloof, whereas Asperger's, no matter a [short] delay in language or their cognitive pattern, participated in social interaction, albeit oddly. Kanner's also used speech in a way that wasn't socially communicative, Asperger's did. Children with Kanner's usually develop speech, and use it to communicate (it's around 4 for HFA), but they still have social "aloneness" in most cases after developing speech.

This social aloneness compared to social oddness is what separates the two in the majority of cases (as well as how the repetitive behaviours manifest).


But there seems to be a huge area of non-linear overlap between the two instead of a neat little break off point. By non-linear I mean that there is no obvious progression of all autistic traits to all AS traits along the spectrum. Alot of traits are expessed independently of a person's apparent place on the spectrum. Are all aspies socially comunicative? Are all autistics socially alone? The only one thing by itself that seems to be the universally accepted difference is the verbal delay.



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16 May 2008, 1:03 pm

no two aspies are the same anyway



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16 May 2008, 9:37 pm

Pithlet,

There's a small percentage of people who're hard to define, as distinguishing between the two is hard in these individuals, i.e., they show bits and pieces of Asperger's and Autism. The rest easily fall under Autism/Atypical Autism and Asperger's Disorder; the rest, which are in the majority. It's commonly held now that individuals with Asperger's can have a delay in the acquisition of speech, and a subnormal IQ (the former is common, the latter not so in Asperger's. The former is expected, and the latter is common in Autism); it's how the social, communicative and repetitive behaviours manifest which defines the two.

How they manifest fall into two unique groups (for the most part, anyway).



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16 May 2008, 9:42 pm

I dunno.


If they are so separate then WTF is with my family?

Me and my brother are the only two that were diagnosed offically, when I see traits of AS and autism on both sides of the family( mom and dad) and they all manifest in two.Different.ways.

Blaugh.THis is all confusing.>-<


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16 May 2008, 9:56 pm

A lot of the distinctions between separate labels aren't really standardized between practitioners, though. At least the distinction based on presence of a speech delay is objective. A lot of the other "differences" are subjected to all sorts of biases and subjectivity. I strongly suspect that there is diagnostic gerrymandering--that is, a professional gives a certain diagnosis because it's less scary to the parents. Or because that particular diagnosis will provide access to more services. Or because they think that any autistic adult with adequate speech should be "Asperger's" regardless of anything else. If you had ten autism experts evaluate the same person, would they necessarily come to the same conclusion? I tend to doubt it.