Do you have a unique way of moving your body?

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17 May 2008, 1:56 pm

What do you skip? Or does skip mean something else in this context? Someone willing to explain? (I'm not native English speaker.)



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17 May 2008, 1:57 pm

My son has NEVER walked on his toes. I don't think I buy the toe-walking idea--I think this is related to something else. All aspies/autistics I've ever observed did NOT walk on their toes.

Yet, I do know people that walked on toes and they were not on the spectrum. I think it's more of a muscular irregularity of sorts rather than a result of a unique brain wiring. I also think it's hereditary (maybe a spinal difference).

It's like saying all kids with autism have dark hair, blue eyes, oversized noses, larger than ordinary thumbs and walk with their heads forward.

Not sure where the walk on toes came into play--Did Hans Asperger list this as a characteristic in his papers? If so, then I stand corrected. I'm flexible.


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17 May 2008, 1:59 pm

Tormod wrote:
What do you skip? Or does skip mean something else in this context? Someone willing to explain? (I'm not native English speaker.)


My son shuffles sideways in a skipping fashion rather than walking. He rarely walks in a normal way, with one foot in front of the other, and never in a straight line.



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17 May 2008, 2:03 pm

equinn wrote:
I don't think I buy the toe-walking idea--I think this is related to something else.


It can be related to something else, (from physical causes to genetic disorders) but it is also a frequently observed in autistic children.

There was a topic on WP about toe-walking and it turned out many people toe-walked in childhood. But, as always, not all symptoms for everybody/different symptoms for different people.

I didn't walk on my toes either. Never.


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17 May 2008, 9:23 pm

equinn wrote:
My son has NEVER walked on his toes. I don't think I buy the toe-walking idea--I think this is related to something else. All aspies/autistics I've ever observed did NOT walk on their toes.

Yet, I do know people that walked on toes and they were not on the spectrum. I think it's more of a muscular irregularity of sorts rather than a result of a unique brain wiring. I also think it's hereditary (maybe a spinal difference).

It's like saying all kids with autism have dark hair, blue eyes, oversized noses, larger than ordinary thumbs and walk with their heads forward.

Not sure where the walk on toes came into play--Did Hans Asperger list this as a characteristic in his papers? If so, then I stand corrected. I'm flexible.


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Your posts on the subject always compell me to defend toe-walking as an Autistic Spectrum trait.
My toe-walking is one of the many eccentricities that I posess that led me to the eventual belief that I am on the spectrum. I did not stop toe-walking as a kid. I still toe-walk..especially when I am excited...or barefoot....or as a stim of sorts.... I don't think it is merely a muscular irregularity....although over the years it did effect the way that my feet and legs developed...I believe that although there are some neurotypical folk who toe-walk...and plenty of folk on the spectrum who don't...it is no cause to say that it is not an AS trait...I don't think that toe-walking is equally prevelant among AS-types and Neurotypicals....if it is, I would like to see evidence of that.



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17 May 2008, 10:11 pm

Toe-walking is in the DSM-IV-TR under Autistic Disorder (usually in children); it's an associated ASD thingy (meaning that it doesn't have to be there, but it's common). I've never done such.

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Abnormalities of posture (e.g.,walking on tiptoe, odd hand movements and body postures) may be present.


I hold my left hand against my chest and curled up most of the time when I walk; I also tilt my head to the [right] side as I stare at the ground when I walk (or I look up and stare at the pretty lights). I also refrain from swinging my arms when I walk/jog as my hands are at my side.



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17 May 2008, 11:25 pm

Tormod wrote:
What do you skip? Or does skip mean something else in this context? Someone willing to explain? (I'm not native English speaker.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx7k7gyJuFA

^ This is the first good example I could find. Basically, you hop twice on one foot, then hop twice on the other.



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18 May 2008, 10:32 am

Oh I forgot, I also walk with my feet splayed outwards, I used to walk at almost (if you think of a clock) quarter to three but my dad hated it and used to hit the back of my feet with a stick, now I walk at about ten to two. I sometimes also walk on the outsides of my feet.



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18 May 2008, 10:56 am

Hm. Sort of. Unless you know how to look at me, you wouldn't notice, but I move in ways that pop my hips and shoulders. I am very flexible and most my movements seem to focus on using that. I just noticed it myself recently. I have a tendancy to hyperextend and move in ways, all over that twist my body.



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18 May 2008, 11:10 am

Mikhaillost wrote:
Hm. Sort of. Unless you know how to look at me, you wouldn't notice, but I move in ways that pop my hips and shoulders. I am very flexible and most my movements seem to focus on using that. I just noticed it myself recently. I have a tendancy to hyperextend and move in ways, all over that twist my body.


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18 May 2008, 3:25 pm

oh goodness...I used to be such a skipper...and got made fun of for it...especially as an adolescent....(along with everything else about me)...but i could not help it..i loved to skip...it is a very toe-walker-friendly movement...



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19 May 2008, 12:15 am

Yes. To me my limbs move fluidly, but if you watch me in videos I move my arms like there's a lot more resistence then there is. My movements are jerky or slow and seem creaky. When I'm acting out my stories in my room I "see" myself doing the action the character is doing, but more often than not I'm just making jerky movements and bending foward. When I'm happy I hop on my toes. I walk much faster than normal people and I have a very heavy foot.

When I sit down I seem to sort of...fall into my chair. I am not a smooth seat taker by any means.

I do this in public and at home, because I can't really help it very much. Most of the time I have no lcue I'm even doing it until the damage is done.


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19 May 2008, 10:13 am

I'm not sure what all these mentions of "toe-walking" are all about.... but I sometimes tend to walk on the fronts of my feet.... or put my feet down front-first. That mostly stems from my realisation that faster animals run on less of their feet... so to speak. Foxes and Cats will run on what is basically the front of the foot... Horses basically run on their toenails, but that is beyond my capability completely.
I have found toward that end that I CAN run faster if I run on the fronts of my feet rather than the whole foot... less ground contact 'n all...

But that leads into the other point: My Velociraptor habit.
Closely linked in, but I REALLY started doing it after I first watched Jurassic Park. Not only do I sometimes walk on the fronts of my feet.... but I almost always keep my fingers paired as though I have three digits (claws) on each hand rather than five.... and hook them to various degrees depending on my mood. I also used to hold my big-toe on each foot raised... but that became awkward after a while... and caused holes in my socks.

Even to this day though, I still hold my hands like 3-digit claws and will even grasp things between my fingers rather than using my thumbs.
My running style has changed slightly, mind you.... I still run on the fronts of my feet, but I tend to hold one arm hooked in front of me while the other trails behind. I expect this is half a habit picked up from watching too many Kung Fu films and Ninja anime.... and curiously enough, half from the Ginga stance that was basic to the Capoeira I used to do.


Oh... and I run almost everywhere.
If you happen to be in Central London and spot someone running past in a black leather trenchcoat... crouched low to the ground ... possibly with one arm trailing and the other in front.... it is probably me.



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19 May 2008, 11:09 am

My mother says I walk like a robot that needs oiling...but I was never sure of what she meant until I took a glimpse of me walking in a store window one day.

I don't necessarily bend my feet when I walk, if that makes any sense, so it does look like I am slightly "rusty". I also tend to look at the ground and walk according to the markings on the pavement...but I think thats more OCD related.
Others have said that I seem to "drag" or "trudge" when I walk, as if I've been walking in the desert for days without rest. Thats the effect of me trying to conciously bend my feet.


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19 May 2008, 1:45 pm

Speaking of strange movements, I like to pantomime a lot =D

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poopylungstuffing wrote:
...it is a very toe-walker-friendly movement...


I never thought about it that way.



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19 May 2008, 1:51 pm

Maybe aspies toe walk for the same reason people who are trying to be quit do it...(to sneak up on unsuspecting people and scare the begeezes out of them :twisted: )

(wow...the spell checker said there is a correct way to spell begeezes 8O I thought that was a DR Seuss word)


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