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18 May 2008, 1:12 pm

Thankyou very very much for your replies, they have helped me alot.
I will try hard not to think badly of myself anymore for having these thoughts. :D



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18 May 2008, 1:24 pm

So do NTs have this problem too, or what?

I'm so relieved to know I'm not the only one who has these terrible thoughts :oops: I always shout "NO!" really loud in my head when they pop up.

I assume this is what doctors mean by "hearing voices"? So they can prescribe you pills? :roll:

You guys are right though, it seems like they only pop up during intense stress.



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18 May 2008, 2:24 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
So do NTs have this problem too, or what?


Good question. I don't know.

SabbraCadabra wrote:
I'm so relieved to know I'm not the only one who has these terrible thoughts :oops: I always shout "NO!" really loud in my head when they pop up.


Yes, it is a big relief I agree. :)

SabbraCadabra wrote:
I assume this is what doctors mean by "hearing voices"? So they can prescribe you pills? :roll:


I don't think it's the same thing but would be interested to hear what others think. I've always thought of "hearing voices" as more of a schizophrenic thing, when the voices have identities.



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18 May 2008, 2:36 pm

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This is a big problem of mine. Inappropriate sexual or violent thoughts can leave be very distressed. Supposedly Buddhist mindfulness meditation is supposed to help with ignoring such thoughts when they pop up, which is one reason I took up meditation.


The thing with mindfulness meditation is to acknowledge the thought or emotion without judgement. It is not really about ignoring thoughts but more about letting them pass through without hanging on to them or saying they are good or bad, they just come and go. This "allowing" deprives them of any energy or impact to disturb you or cause conflict.

The worst thing to do is grab a thought and say "this is bad, evil, immoral or disgusting" and judge yourself as being a bad person in some way. That is the way to neurosis and low self esteem.


Yeah, that's what I meant by "ignoring," don't judge the thought and just let it come and go, actively trying to ignore something just backfires.


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18 May 2008, 7:46 pm

I don't think this is the sae thing as "hearing voices" but it isn't to far off. The difference is that you know your creating the thought and it's not a seperate entity talking to you. Perhaps schizophrenics are so disturbed by having these thoughts that they create seperate vooice/personalities to represent the "bad thoughts". I guess it is a pretty fine line and probably why some people with AS have been misDXed with schizophrenia. Some people do find relief being on anti-psychotics but I have heard many AS have very bad reactions to these meds(they actually make them more psychotic), and many of these meds also come with horrible long term side-effects. I would recommend anti-anxiety medications instead, if they get really bad. Effexor has been one of the better meds for me for helping with anxiety with out sedating me. I think it is also important to learn ways of decreasing stress in your life, (changing life sytles if you have to) and learning other stress reduction therapies.


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18 May 2008, 8:51 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
So do NTs have this problem too, or what?

I'm so relieved to know I'm not the only one who has these terrible thoughts :oops: I always shout "NO!" really loud in my head when they pop up.

I assume this is what doctors mean by "hearing voices"? So they can prescribe you pills? :roll:

You guys are right though, it seems like they only pop up during intense stress.



I'd assume no. This is of OCD from what floaty showed. That part fits me well. OCDers are not NTs.


Hearing voices just mean real voices that are not real. Your thoughts are not your voices. People talking on TV are not voices. That is not what doctors are talking about.



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18 May 2008, 9:07 pm

Ah, I used to experience the same thing when I was younger, and it was quite troubling. You see, I had very strict, religious parents who probably suffered from OCD. There were lots of rules to follow, and I was not to question anything. On top of that, I was constantly being punished for minor accidental transgressions, like saying "Thank you!" without the proper amount of enthusiasm, and given neurotic punishments like having to say, "I'm sorry!" one hundred times in a row.

I think that everyone gets these bizarre, unwanted thoughts, but when you're under stress or subject to some form of neurosis (whether it's your own OCD or that of someone in your household) these thoughts tend to become more pronounced and more anxiety-ridden.

For instance, when I was a kid, I used to think that God hears all of your thoughts and will send you to Hell if you ever question His existence (based on what I had been told). So I was constantly getting these unwanted thoughts telling me, "God is dead!", "There is no god!", "I hate God!", etc. I think it had to do with the stress of trying to adhere to rigid, inflexible thinking.

These days, I don't think that there are any bad thoughts. I let myself think about anything. I question things and explore belief systems freely. If I think of something that seems inappropriate, I ask myself why, and I thoroughly analyze it until I understand its origin (maybe I was angry at someone, for example). And I am no longer troubled by unwanted thoughts.



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19 May 2008, 2:09 pm

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Ah, I used to experience the same thing when I was younger, and it was quite troubling. You see, I had very strict, religious parents who probably suffered from OCD. There were lots of rules to follow, and I was not to question anything. On top of that, I was constantly being punished for minor accidental transgressions, like saying "Thank you!" without the proper amount of enthusiasm, and given neurotic punishments like having to say, "I'm sorry!" one hundred times in a row.

I think that everyone gets these bizarre, unwanted thoughts, but when you're under stress or subject to some form of neurosis (whether it's your own OCD or that of someone in your household) these thoughts tend to become more pronounced and more anxiety-ridden.

For instance, when I was a kid, I used to think that God hears all of your thoughts and will send you to Hell if you ever question His existence (based on what I had been told). So I was constantly getting these unwanted thoughts telling me, "God is dead!", "There is no god!", "I hate God!", etc. I think it had to do with the stress of trying to adhere to rigid, inflexible thinking.

These days, I don't think that there are any bad thoughts. I let myself think about anything. I question things and explore belief systems freely. If I think of something that seems inappropriate, I ask myself why, and I thoroughly analyze it until I understand its origin (maybe I was angry at someone, for example). And I am no longer troubled by unwanted thoughts.



You have a very healthy perspective. My son is eight-years old and sounds like you in the way he fears thinking something. I just tell him "it's okay...just a thought" and it passes for him. I hope he evolves with the same healthy recognition that, yes, this is merely a thought and it doesn't control me or define who I am. Just a thought is our motto around here lately.

I think artisitc outlets are good for overly imaginagive minds. When there is so much energy and no outlet, this is when trouble brews.



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19 May 2008, 2:54 pm

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For instance, when I was a kid, I used to think that God hears all of your thoughts and will send you to Hell if you ever question His existence (based on what I had been told). So I was constantly getting these unwanted thoughts telling me, "God is dead!", "There is no god!", "I hate God!", etc. I think it had to do with the stress of trying to adhere to rigid, inflexible thinking.

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Wow, that's EXACTLY what I used to experience when I believed in a god. I would try to convince myself that if god is all-knowing, he'll know that I don't really believe these things that are popping into my head. It still made me very worried, though.

Indeed the best way to deal with unwanted thoughts is not to react to them, because after all, they are only words and do not reflect your actual beliefs. Don't try to resist them, because to resist a thought means that you have to hold that thought in your mind so that you know what you're resisting, anyway. Acknowledge it, maybe even chuckle at it, and let it pass through.



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19 May 2008, 2:54 pm

I do believe in God, but I have never known Him to be rigid or inflexible.


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19 May 2008, 5:46 pm

krex wrote:
I don't think this is the sae thing as "hearing voices" but it isn't to far off. The difference is that you know your creating the thought and it's not a seperate entity talking to you. Perhaps schizophrenics are so disturbed by having these thoughts that they create seperate vooice/personalities to represent the "bad thoughts". I guess it is a pretty fine line and probably why some people with AS have been misDXed with schizophrenia. Some people do find relief being on anti-psychotics but I have heard many AS have very bad reactions to these meds(they actually make them more psychotic), and many of these meds also come with horrible long term side-effects. I would recommend anti-anxiety medications instead, if they get really bad. Effexor has been one of the better meds for me for helping with anxiety with out sedating me. I think it is also important to learn ways of decreasing stress in your life, (changing life sytles if you have to) and learning other stress reduction therapies.


schizophrenia isn't about dual personalities, CHRIST DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU PRETENTIOUS DOUCHE! it's a breakdown of the cohesion and unity of the faculties of the mind and understanding... language, cognition, emotion, perception - disintegrated.

thinking and mental conflict are an inherent aspect in human existence and self development, suck it up and live life, taking pills isn't going to help, you're just lying to yourself if you think it will, thats not gonna help at all...



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19 May 2008, 8:41 pm

Eugene Breuler (?) coined scizophrenia and autism as a symptom of it. The two share a breaking with reality and withdrawal into fantasy. The major distinction is that schizophrenia is a disintegration of personality. Autism is not. Maybe this is why kids are not typically diagnosed with scizophrenia. It usually occurs in adolescence and there is a genuine deterioration of the person. This person becomes someone else and can no longer function as he/she once did. I think this is the most tragic for loved ones who witness the loss of a person they once knew. The person with autism was always this way--from birth.

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19 May 2008, 9:41 pm

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krex wrote:
I don't think this is the sae thing as "hearing voices" but it isn't to far off. The difference is that you know your creating the thought and it's not a seperate entity talking to you. Perhaps schizophrenics are so disturbed by having these thoughts that they create seperate vooice/personalities to represent the "bad thoughts". I guess it is a pretty fine line and probably why some people with AS have been misDXed with schizophrenia. Some people do find relief being on anti-psychotics but I have heard many AS have very bad reactions to these meds(they actually make them more psychotic), and many of these meds also come with horrible long term side-effects. I would recommend anti-anxiety medications instead, if they get really bad. Effexor has been one of the better meds for me for helping with anxiety with out sedating me. I think it is also important to learn ways of decreasing stress in your life, (changing life sytles if you have to) and learning other stress reduction therapies.


schizophrenia isn't about dual personalities, CHRIST DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU PRETENTIOUS DOUCHE! it's a breakdown of the cohesion and unity of the faculties of the mind and understanding... language, cognition, emotion, perception - disintegrated.

thinking and mental conflict are an inherent aspect in human existence and self development, suck it up and live life, taking pills isn't going to help, you're just lying to yourself if you think it will, thats not gonna help at all...


Yeah, well I wouldn't exactly say you are an example of mental health if you feel it necessary to attack me as a person rather then just disagree with ideas that you didn''t understand in the first place. I didn't say that schizophrenics had multiple personality disorder. I said that the voices they say that they hear could be a product of dissociating themselves from their own internal thoughts.

If you continue to insult me or any other individuals on this board by calling them names, you will be banned as this is part of the terms of service. I will continue to take Effexor because the alternative is not "sucking it up" but being unemployed and I value my independence from government services. It's an imperfect compromise to reality. I did "scuk it up" for many years and nearly choked to death on it.

As far as your attack of me..I am not pretending to be anything and I am not a douce because I don't like cleaning anything.


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20 May 2008, 12:37 am

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I sometimes have inappropriate thoughts which certainly aren't what I really believe.
I've been unable to find an answer as to why this happens, it's upsetting.
For instance, I was visiting my Mum's grave and awful things flash through my mind, like "I'm glad you're dead", things like that. I truly love my Mum and miss her every day, of course I'm not glad she's dead.
Why do I have these thoughts? It's just like they just appear in my mind and I'm not thinking them consiously.
I do have OCD traits, I'm wondering if this could be related? I wouldn't have thought so but I just read on Wikipedia:
Obsessions are defined by:

1. Recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are experienced at some time during the disturbance, as intrusive and inappropriate and that cause marked anxiety or distress.

(It goes on to explain other definitions which I relate to but aren't related to my question).

Alot of the times that I do have these thoughts seem related to death so I guess it could be an obsessional thing.

Another time that it regularly happened was when I was trying to make a prepared speech but some other people were talking around me. I would have this negative stream of speech inside me, which thankfully I managed to keep inside of me.

Can anyone help?


as long as you know you truly miss her you shouldnt listen to your thoughts mate (sorry about your mum mate)