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27 Jul 2008, 3:05 am

maybe they want to give back all nt,s bashing aspies?


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27 Jul 2008, 5:26 am

For some reason, NT's have to be contrite, modest, and - unless they are the alpha of the group - know nothing.
Because we are nothing like that; we are intentionally acting superior. I believe, also, that because we carry a different label to them, they believe that automatically makes us inferior and any evidence against that view on our part is taken as us simply being arrogant. Truthfully; if I know something, and I also know that others don't or are wrong, then I will say so. If people regard this as intentionally superior behaviour, that is their perogative.



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27 Jul 2008, 7:33 am

Aurore wrote:
I was just on ZomgAspies, checking it out, and the first thing I came across was a whole bunch of people whining about how Aspies 'think they're superior.' Now, I have a lot of issues with what I saw on that site (i.e., them calling this 'FagPlanet',) but that's not what this is about. It's about this:
Many NTs seem to assume we think we're superior to them or something. Now I have never personally met an Aspie who feels this way. I certainly do not feel this way. AS can be a serious disability and I certainly don't think it makes a person better than someone without it. I mean, sure, we may sometimes, in some areas, surpass NT skills, but I can't imagine actually bragging about my Asperger's.
Which begs the question:
How the hell did this idea propogate?
Can anyone fill me in?

I've not had this experience.

My experience has been that everything the majority of NTs know about Autism, they learned from watching "Rainman."

My experience has been that it is some Aspies that think we're superior.


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27 Jul 2008, 9:15 am

Well, I agree that Aspies are more likely to be self deprecating. Even sometimes in the workforce I can be.

NTs frankly sometimes are arrogant, so I think it is really a double standard.

Still, AS people CAN seem arrogant. So I can see how the idea can propagate.

ishmael wrote:
For some reason, NT's have to be contrite, modest, and - unless they are the alpha of the group - know nothing.


How do you figure? MOST don't even know the meaning of the word "contrite"! Many are NOT "modest". :evil:

ishmael wrote:
Because we are nothing like that; we are intentionally acting superior.


HUH? 8O

ishmael wrote:
I believe, also, that because we carry a different label to them, they believe that automatically makes us inferior and any evidence against that view on our part is taken as us simply being arrogant. Truthfully; if I know something, and I also know that others don't or are wrong, then I will say so. If people regard this as intentionally superior behaviour, that is their perogative.


EXACTLY!! !! !! :lol:



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27 Jul 2008, 9:19 am

Aurore wrote:
I was just on ZomgAspies, checking it out, and the first thing I came across was a whole bunch of people whining about how Aspies 'think they're superior.' Now, I have a lot of issues with what I saw on that site (i.e., them calling this 'FagPlanet',) but that's not what this is about. It's about this:
Many NTs seem to assume we think we're superior to them or something. Now I have never personally met an Aspie who feels this way. I certainly do not feel this way. AS can be a serious disability and I certainly don't think it makes a person better than someone without it. I mean, sure, we may sometimes, in some areas, surpass NT skills, but I can't imagine actually bragging about my Asperger's.
Which begs the question:
How the hell did this idea propogate?
Can anyone fill me in?



I admit I DO THINK I AM SUPERIOR but I live around mostly cretins who do very little if any thinking. I tend to associate superiority with intelligence and tolerance. Inferiority with bias and ignorance. This place is full of bias and ignorance.

I also admit my weakness is overvaluing my own opinions.

I also value self reflection. Real self reflection based on logical reasoning is a quality I think of as a "superior" one and when I see that quality in others I think "Ooooh that one is indeed superior".



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27 Jul 2008, 10:12 am

So I went to bed last night and got to thinking about this again, which is annoying, why can't I just fall asleep when I go to bed? But another thing is Aspies tend to focus on themselves which I can see being interpreted as thinking they are superior. I know I focus on myself but I sure don't feel superior and I've always been self-conscious and had a low self esteem. I've had so many put downs and being picked on in my life it's inevitable. I'm not complaining or crying, it's fact. It hasn't made me feel sorry for myself but at times I feel bitter over it, it was just all so unnecessary. I don't get picked on as much since my DX but one of the ways people picked on me is always telling me I'm selfish. When I read they think we're superior, it really worked on me. If I feel anything, it's inferior, emotionally. But logically I know no one is superior over me either, not on this planet or any other planet.

As far as thinking they were Aspie bashing, it's just how I perceive it. Like asking why Aspies never get laid and stuff. Maybe Aspie bashing isn't the appropriate term but I did see it as being picked on. Oh well. I've posted a lot on this subject and am going to stop now.



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27 Jul 2008, 10:23 am

Droopy, read your post. I find that when I want to get laid I get laid. Often it's a matter of not wanting to get laid with me, my choice. I don't know if that is how it is with everyone but with me getting laid is such a non issue because I have had sex know what it's all about haven't been unfulfilled there. So, I am one Aspie that doesn't have that concern...

As far as being called selfish I have been called that by many people. Sometimes they blame it on me being an only child and I was far more selfish when I was a child. When people call me selfish or start criticising me and putting me down I rationalize what they do. Often I think they do it out of jealousy or because they have talked about me to someone else who knows me behind my back when I am not there to defend myself

I rationalize more by thinking that everyone is selfish you have to be somewhat selfish or you don't survive it's a survival instinct in animals and in humans, any living thing must have selfishness to survive.

So, Droopy, it's easy to feel terrible after people say these things to you.

I used to feel awful because I believed what people told me and they tried to brainwash me into thinking I am some horribly selfish person. Their motivations were jealousy, I concluded, that I was an only child and had lots of life experiences that earned me extra attention and sympathy. I realized many people, especially my own age, resented me for that.

But see, the irony is, them being jealous is actually their own selfishness which is what they accused me of being -selfish-.

They are just trying to manipulate your feelings and make you feel like crap.

Don't fall for it.



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27 Jul 2008, 10:24 am

This is the problem with generalizations. I know Aspies that are arrogant and I know NTs that are arrogant. I know Aspies that are modest and I know NTs that are modest. It has nothing to do with neurology. Fundamentally, Aspies and NTs just aren't that different.


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27 Jul 2008, 12:46 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Droopy, read your post. I find that when I want to get laid I get laid. Often it's a matter of not wanting to get laid with me, my choice. I don't know if that is how it is with everyone but with me getting laid is such a non issue because I have had sex know what it's all about haven't been unfulfilled there. So, I am one Aspie that doesn't have that concern...

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YEP, WE ALL GET IT! Females have a FAR easier time with that! There's no reason to brag. :cry:



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27 Jul 2008, 1:29 pm

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I wouldnt't be too quick to judge zomgaspies.com. I don't know where the NTs bashing aspies theory came from, lol, but unless I'm a complete ret*d (I've been known to exhibit some factors, but not all), I think they be a legit aspie place. Just check out the Sophie section for the proof.


It was just the first thread I saw, clicked on it, and a whole bunch of people REALLY WERE whining about how "superior" aspies think they were. And most of the people in the thread were NTs. So I did have something to be offended about. My post isn't about something wrong with ZomgAspies, it is about a generalization/misconception.


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27 Jul 2008, 1:53 pm

K, not questioning what you saw, just gonna point out there's a LOT more to the place than what was described. Lot of aspies from here over there, lot of hate for WP over there...

Anyway, on to your original topic:

I've been known to be a superior sounding a-hole, but the reality is very much the opposite. I feel deeply inferior much of the time, and cannot seem to grab an even foothold with the rest of society. Someone proposed a theory that NTs look down on us, and therefore the aspie effort to be something more than inferior is taken as attempting to be superior, I think there's merit to that.

Perhaps it has to do with our traits, I point out mistakes constantly where I work, this is important, but I don't have the proper "tact" to do this without offending sometimes. Also, I've strayed from my "straight arrow" phase a lot, but still will not tolerate certain things, and will make it known. I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, act like a manwhore. The problem isn't that I purposely tell these things to people, it's that I get offended when they question me regarding these things, and then I proceed to berate these things, by accident, or by purpose... None of the things I do/don't do make me superior, but in my defense I might come off as superior to back attacking morons up. Just a defense mechanism, as I see it.


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27 Jul 2008, 1:59 pm

-JR wrote:
I've been known to be a superior sounding a-hole, but the reality is very much the opposite. I feel deeply inferior much of the time, and cannot seem to grab an even foothold with the rest of society. Someone proposed a theory that NTs look down on us, and therefore the aspie effort to be something more than inferior is taken as attempting to be superior, I think there's merit to that.

Perhaps it has to do with our traits, I point out mistakes constantly where I work, this is important, but I don't have the proper "tact" to do this without offending sometimes. Also, I've strayed from my "straight arrow" phase a lot, but still will not tolerate certain things, and will make it known. I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, act like a manwhore. The problem isn't that I purposely tell these things to people, it's that I get offended when they question me regarding these things, and then I proceed to berate these things, by accident, or by purpose... None of the things I do/don't do make me superior, but in my defense I might come off as superior to back attacking morons up. Just a defense mechanism, as I see it.


I do the same thing! Especially when it comes to drugs, alcohol, sleeping around.


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27 Jul 2008, 2:05 pm

Aren't we all the same species at least? And we share a lot of the same traits regardless of neurology? Some Aspies are stupid? Some NTs are stupids? Etc.

I find such ideas as "superiority" confusing and illogical. Then again I am a bit of a robot.



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27 Jul 2008, 2:14 pm

corroonb wrote:
Aren't we all the same species at least? And we share a lot of the same traits regardless of neurology? Some Aspies are stupid? Some NTs are stupids? Etc.

I find such ideas as "superiority" confusing and illogical. Then again I am a bit of a robot.


Yay robot!! ! Yes, I have noticed you are more of the logical type. : )


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27 Jul 2008, 3:43 pm

Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.



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27 Jul 2008, 3:46 pm

I have a question

I went to that site briefly and I saw some usernames of members of wrongplanet, they even bring up some of the same discussion topics, are they supposed to be a parody of the members on this site?