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29 Jul 2008, 11:42 pm

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Sometimes I think we behave as if we represent the whole autistic community. What about the autistics that have it more severe and spend their whole lives in the care of others? Is it wrong to want to cure them?


Yes, if they don't want to be cured. You can't just make some invisible line as to who gets to have their say, and who doesn't. Nobody should have the right to change another person's brain without having that person's consent. No group of people should be singled out, because of their disability as not having a right to make important decisions that directly affect them. If society would start to accept severely affected auties as equals, and worked just as hard as they do for a cure to accomadate them this whole cure debate wouldn't be much of a debate anymore.



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30 Jul 2008, 1:10 am

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it's a lot easier to cure dr phil,just press the off button.

:lol:
Awesome.

Problems on both sides of the issue, parents who are at their wits end and wish to "cure" a "problem" that impairs their children to a severe degree have an understandable motive. It's almost selfish that "us," as functioning ASD, or auties, or whatever, "us" who can understand things to a certain level, should be judging attemps from others to cure something that has far greater effects than we have. Just my $.02 there. :|

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CRACK, I see I've echoed your thoughts, didn't catch your post there, but I agree.
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30 Jul 2008, 2:27 am

Just another doping pill to "calm" the autistic child - makes parenting the child easer, but further ret*ds development and causes irreperable brain damage. Seriously; it's like giving absenth to a toddler. It's just another shut-up drug.



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30 Jul 2008, 9:10 am

-JR wrote:
Problems on both sides of the issue, parents who are at their wits end and wish to "cure" a "problem" that impairs their children to a severe degree have an understandable motive. It's almost selfish that "us," as functioning ASD, or auties, or whatever, "us" who can understand things to a certain level, should be judging attemps from others to cure something that has far greater effects than we have. Just my $.02 there. :|


I wish people here didn't assume what 'us' meant, so often.

Or that the pursuit of a cure was harmless to those of us who went through it, that just because we had serious problems meant that it was okay to try anything and everything, including things that did long-term damage.


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30 Jul 2008, 1:10 pm

I've been taking omega-3 pills lately.

Haven't noticed much of a difference though, maybe it's not a big enough dose :?


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30 Jul 2008, 2:43 pm

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it's a lot easier to cure dr phil,just press the off button.

:cheers: :thumleft: :hail:


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30 Jul 2008, 2:45 pm

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Sometimes I think we behave as if we represent the whole autistic community. What about the autistics that have it more severe and spend their whole lives in the care of others? Is it wrong to want to cure them?

A few posts above yours is one by an LFA who, IIRC, doesn't want to be cured. Don't think this site is only Aspies. And there are several LFA people who are anti-cure. Amanda Baggs springs to mind.


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30 Jul 2008, 3:31 pm

New drugs, same purpose :x


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31 Jul 2008, 5:59 am

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Bad, awful...why would I want to cure being talented and wonderful and having a fantastic wry sense of humour? Why would I want to cure my incredible son who is the best thing that ever happened to the universe?

These people should be put to death. Preying on poor desperate parents who don't have any energy to combat their stupidity.


I think everyone seems to have a different opinion on that, but I don't think anyone would force you to get treatment if you were opposed to it.

In my case, I grew up having few friends, virtually no social life, and getting picked on all the time. Although girls were attracted to me, I had no feelings for them because I'm asexual which is another thing that aspies get. Even though I forced myself a few times to have a gf, I was never capable of falling in love with any of them. So at this time, I'm still single and will die alone. I have a lot of trouble getting and keeping jobs. Because of my higher IQ (another aspie trait) I tend to be opinionated and other people take that as being argumentative. Because of my poor eye contact and lack of facial expression, people think I'm shifty or dishonest just by the way I look.

Although there is no guarantee that any treatment would take away my IQ and other talents, even if it did, why would I NOT want to take a pill that would make me closer to NT at least temporarily?

As far as your son, if he wants to take such a pill, then you shouldn't try to stop him. Its his life, not yours.



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31 Jul 2008, 8:40 am

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Watching Dr Phill today, there was a commercial recruting for autistic children to join a study to take a pill and treat their autism. Anyone else heard of this? I can't imagine how it whould theoretically work.

Treat autism?
Yeah, let's load 'em up on Ritalin!



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31 Jul 2008, 10:45 am

what about if somebody with Alzheimer's, or Mental Retardation, or anything at all that affects one's ability to take care of themselves, were offered a treatment that could make them more functional and less dependent on others, and they said "no"?



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31 Jul 2008, 11:36 am

I am sometimes in concurrence with Kevin Trudeau on this one, how they try to come up with new drugs to pocket.

I am happy being how I am and I am flawed and imperfect but what's next? A drug to help with ejaculation? (Oh wait, that's Viagra). 8)

And as for the people in Cape Town who think that we are in jail, it's only you who create mental apartheid for us and we end up spending our entire lives fighting against neurotypical dominiation and aspie domination, but I am prepared to die for this ideal.



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31 Jul 2008, 11:47 am

This makes me think of X-Men, where they have that way to 'cure' yourself of your mutantness, and the ensuing debate in the movie over whether or not that would be a good thing. Rogue decided to go through with it because her mutantness was making her life miserable.

I think those who want to have a cure should be able to have it, for themselves, but no one should force it on anyone else. Some Aspies are like Mystique or Wolverine and have found advantages to their situation. But other people really are hurting bad.

The thing that really bothers me here is that they're probably testing this on children.


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31 Jul 2008, 12:39 pm

jade10025 wrote:
Watching Dr Phill today, there was a commercial recruting for autistic children to join a study to take a pill and treat their autism. Anyone else heard of this? I can't imagine how it whould theoretically work.


More media lies.... and I wouldn't take another unknown drug again. Been brain damaged enough by recreational drugs in the past.



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31 Jul 2008, 1:20 pm

Aurore wrote:
This makes me think of X-Men...


Even before I found out about ASD, I felt like I could relate to the X-Men.

Now even moreso.


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31 Jul 2008, 1:30 pm

Why don't they just use a special diet and therapy to improve social/living skills? What kind of pill is it?