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zen_mistress
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12 Aug 2008, 3:15 am

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I fit just about all the criteria, except I'm really good with math. I have visual and auditory processing problems, but I am good with higher math (just not arithmetic).

Also, does performance IQ relative to verbal IQ typically correlate well with ability in higher math? I had a low performance IQ (77), which is about a standard deviation away from my verbal IQ (93), but I did AP Physics and AP Calculus (without taking physics or pre-calculus), and am going to major in physics in college.

So while the test says performance is lower (and hence I would've thought it'd mean that math skills are lower), in real life, math skills versus writing are about same, with math a little more I'd think.

I do creative writing, and am told I'm good at writing essays and fiction, but when it comes to language in my head (before editing it over and over on a computer or paper), it's very much jumbled and confused. However, I did about average on the block construction, and above average on the matrix reasoning and shape stuff - I just did way below average on most everything else.

I have a friend with NVLD, and she also had some aspie traits, though probably not enough for dx (definitely not NT though). She has difficulties in math, and on tests does much better on verbal than in math, but the performance IQ seems to include a lot of visual and motor skills and timing (at least for most tests), which someone who's good with shapes and math may have trouble in. I remember I used to think of performance IQ as being a good indicator of math skills, but good not to put too much emphasis on these tests.

So I've not been identified with it officially, though I probably could be technically, with the higher verbal score and the other traits.

Earthmonkey, you sound a bit like my dad. He is very intelligent, and ok at maths, and a great writer. He has a degree in History, and he has been a high school teacher. Yet his performance IQ is only 81! Poor guy, I remember how mad he was when he saw his IQ results.

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Zen Mistress,

Same here, I always wanted to be a counselor. But I know better than try because with my alienation of humans...it's not a good idea. I indeed used to be an excellent English teacher, as they say NVLD should be teachers. But I don't like it.

I've recently taken up Photography as a hobby, and I enjoy it immensely. Must be the first time I enjoy doing something non-verbal... I don't know how far I can go in something very technical and visio-spatial like Photography, though, so I don't think about it as other than a hobby.

Yeah photography is a newer hobby of mine... (see my avatar <-- ) though the technical side doesnt interest me.

I think there must be a lot more aspies out there who are in the same position, who feel strangely drawn towards social careers, like teaching, journalism, counselling, etc, yet have problems with social skills and types of sensory processing.

I have a friend who is sort of Avoidant Personality disorder and maybe a bit aspie. She would make an amazing counsellor. But she dropped out of her counselling course- she couldnt handle the other students and staff.

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12 Aug 2008, 9:16 am

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Yeah thats the official diagnosis for me at the moment. I sort of consider them all a form of autisticyness, and myself AS with NVLD as the little extra descriptor.
Only exception, they always implied NVLD would cause math problems, and I'm absolutely fantastic at arithmetic. Does that make me not NVLD?

I'm good at math, too (also officially diagnosed), although there is a limit to how far I can go. I liked calculus in high school, but when I tried taking multivariable calculus in college, it was all crazy complicated 3-D graphs and multi-dimensional thinking- in other words, I spent my life in the math resource center for the first two weeks until I dropped the class. When I was a kid, I also had some minor trouble with geometry- I couldn't figure out which was the opposite angle, which angle was adjacent, etc. My mom is a psychologist though, and she taught me to verbalize information when I was growing up, so that I could process it better.

She also was the only one who could explain intersections to me when I was 17 and had just failed the driving test- I was completely unable to understand which direction you had to look in when you were going right, left, or straight at a light, and when you had the right of way.

I've actually read a number of academic articles on NLD, and one thing they don't mention in mainstream literature is that there are different subtypes of NLD- one of which has the math learning disability. The others don't.

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12 Aug 2008, 9:22 am

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I indeed used to be an excellent English teacher, as they say NVLD should be teachers. But I don't like it.

Really? Teachers? I find that I have difficulty in a classroom situation (I worked as a teaching assistant in a preschool for two summers), because it is difficult for me to pay attention to what is happening in different parts of the classroom. I also have ADHD though (inattentive subtype). There was just no way for me to "monitor" a classroom, no matter how hard I tried, which made things very stressful.

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12 Aug 2008, 9:24 am

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I was dxed with NLD when I was 18.

I don't like the term though -- it makes no more sense than saying "verbal learning disorder" for every single learning disability involving language. Too vague, means too many things, and if I were to say I had it people wouldn't realize I have significant strengths in nonverbal areas.

I agree. The academic literature recognizes different subtypes of NLD, but I've never seen this mentioned outside of a few journal articles. I do hope NLD makes it into the next version of the DSM though (with some clarification for the different subtypes)- my official diagnosis is technically LD-NOS, which is even more vague! (the psychologist clarified in the text that it was NLD)

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12 Aug 2008, 11:57 am

I'm not one of those people with an ASD that overlaps with NVLD (which itself is an ASD, but I mean the more traditional ones like Autism and Asperger's); my spatial orientation and motor development are both "normal". I'm not exactly poor in mathematical ability either (my verbal ability is my weak area, which is actually pretty good in reality, barring those IQ tests; I hate reading blocks of text that aren't in relation to something I'm not interested in, so that pushes my score way down). I know that many with AS also have NVLD, but not all do.

I don't think people are ready to say that NVLD and AS are the same thing, as the social deficits in the latter tend to be far more marked than the former when the two groups are looked at separately, even though those with NVLD do have a somewhat strong circumscribed interest like AS.

It'd be good if it was placed in the next DSM, as people do seem to place it in with ASDs nowadays.

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12 Aug 2008, 3:09 pm

The way I look at it, there are 16 different personality types, so there are at least 16 different ways to have AS, and even more when taking into account other individual differences. I think the DSM should be widened to include the less classic versions.

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12 Aug 2008, 4:24 pm

i have NLD but i relate better to AS....NLD is still a controversy whether its AS or a diagnosis on its own..and some consider it part of the spectrum while others do not....so i've either been misdiagnosed, i have both or just AS...

i should probably get re-tested if you can even do that i don't know....

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14 Aug 2008, 1:16 am

I registered to this forum to ask this same question.

I was recently dxed. My neuro explained that NLD is dxed via neuro tests and AS more with observation. My spacial issues are the most obvious issue. I confuse people because I have high verbal skill unless I get overwhelmed...then I can't talk. Because of my verbal ability they have a hard time understanding how many things I do lack in and expect so much to be easy for me when I really truly can't do it.

Regarding math, I can not do the basics--addition, subtraction, multiplication without my fingers. Definitively not in my head. The thing is that I have done college physics as well as chemistry and biology. It's strange though. I tried and tried and worked so hard. I think my physics prof wanted to tell me to give up. But my whole life I have worked so hard. I just don't know how to give up. Having a dx has been a relief. I now know why I'm like this so I can hopefully start fixing it. I have a whole lot of sensory integration issues. It's a big deal. I don't think I am really 'high functioning' or any more functioning than some with AS. I have daily professional help. I need the direction. I get confused and cannot figure out how to prioritize things and instead pace and jump back and forth and get distracted. But they say I'm not ADD.

Anyway, probably too much information. It's just nice to get connected to some that understand.

It's funny. I get dxed with NLD and then referred to the local AS facility. I think he also added R/O AS, but as I read more NLD does seem more accurate. But maybe just another form. Who knows?

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14 Aug 2008, 2:15 am

zen_mistress wrote:

Oh, and another un-aspie career that has appealed to me at times is... PR. I know, crazy. But I am not entirely sure what it entails, it just sounds like fun. On principle though I refuse to participate in a career that involves bending/distorting the truth in any way, and i have often wondered if this is what might be involved in public relations. Im not sure how popular I would be amongst potential clients if I insisted on presenting the truth to the public!

Public relations is 100% lying, whether it be regular lies, lies of omission, distortion, white lies, or disingenuousness.

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14 Aug 2008, 2:51 am

zen_mistress wrote:

I like photography too : ) I especially love nature photography and taking portraits of animals.. I love animals and nature and even went so far as to get some of my photos copyrighted.. although I don't really know how to go about marketing them.. I'd like to take some courses in school about that..

I've also thought that I might like teaching on a university (junior college) level where people are more mature, not acting up and you don't have to watch them like a hawk.. I originally majored in social psychology and have Always been drawn to the social sciences such as psychology, anthropology and sociology and even acting.. but I realize that I never really would be a good counselor because of my NLD issues.. I really love music also and am thinking about trying to get an MFA with emphasis on music recording and then, I might be able to teach music or even photography at a community (junior, 2-year) college if I have enough experience in that also..

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14 Aug 2008, 5:07 pm

hopesclan wrote:

I have daily professional help. I need the direction. I get confused and cannot figure out how to prioritize things and instead pace and jump back and forth and get distracted. But they say I'm not ADD.

Really? I have similar issues, and three psychologists have told me they think I have ADD (so I consider myself semi-officially diagnosed since it would be super easy to get an official diagnosis if I wanted one). I'm trying out a new software now for people with ADD, called Skoach. It's supposed to help you organize your life. One feature which I can already see might be useful is that it encourages you to break down tasks into smaller steps- something I really struggle with. I'm also reading a great book called "ADD-Friendly Ways to Organize Your Life." You might want to check them out.

Maybe the people who don't think you have ADD just think that your ADD traits are included under NLD. There definitely is some overlap.

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14 Aug 2008, 5:43 pm

http://tinyurl.com/6oczxq

Just thought I'd pass this along : )

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14 Aug 2008, 6:31 pm

Felinity wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/6oczxq

Just thought I'd pass this along : )

~LG

Very cool! Thanks for posting!

I'm definitely getting that book.

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14 Aug 2008, 8:37 pm

Just reading these past few posts. It is good to see the NLD threads because I can see that there are aspies that are similar to me. I do feel in many ways atypical and like I face issues that other aspies dont seem to face, and that I have overloads and areas of difficulty that I dont see so much on the board. It has made me feel good to read this thread and find that there other people, like me, who are drawn to sociological topics.

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14 Aug 2008, 8:38 pm

dtoxic wrote:

zen_mistress wrote:

Public relations is 100% lying, whether it be regular lies, lies of omission, distortion, white lies, or disingenuousness.

Yeah that is the problem. I am quite creative with ideas and I think I would have probably ended up in marketing or PR if I was an NT. But those 2 industries clash with my worldview as I am as an aspie.

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15 Aug 2008, 7:29 am

Thank you all so far for the wonderful contributions. I'm currently in hospital with no internet access (just came home for a few hours and going back now). I'll be undergoing surgery on my eyes next week but will be back reading here in a week.

Have a nice weekend everyone!

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