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25 Aug 2008, 3:27 pm

I am not opposed to hunting/fishing themselves, just to doing that for no reason.

Whether the reason is -- to provide food to yourself or someone else, to another animal, some other actual justified reason other than "for fun".

And don't get me started on "catch and release" fishing. WTF?


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25 Aug 2008, 3:27 pm

I don't hunt, but I fish. However, I also eat what I kill and those that I don't let go don't go to waste. In fact, I think I felt worse about catching a fish through the eye and letting it go than I did about the fish I caught and kept. And yes, I also fish for fun too.

As far as hunting goes, i've been before but never killed anything. Killing an animal wouldn't bother me so long as it doesn't go to waste. However, killing for pure sport does.

One thing that sticks out in my mind is that scene from the movie "Powder", where the hunter kills the deer and once Powder lets him see what the deer sees, he stops for good never to hunt again.



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25 Aug 2008, 3:28 pm

I'm really only a supporter of hunting if:

1. It doesnt endanger the animal population/helps ease overpopulation
2. You eat the meat from what you kill.
3. That which you are hunting could easily kill you.

Examples would be like moose and bears, which easily kill people, especially mother bears/moose.

Down in other places there may not be many moose/bear, but up here in alaska both of these animals are pretty common.



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25 Aug 2008, 3:40 pm

Back when I was younger, I used to be rather extreme about animal rights... I was a vegetarian for a while. However, after a while I got to thinking (and I got quite unhealthy, because my food issues and vegetarianism combined did not make for a good diet!) and eased off some. However, certain things like hunting just for sport without function and testing on animals only for cosmetic or similar non-necessary reasons I still don't agree with.



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25 Aug 2008, 3:53 pm

camelonajourney wrote:
spudnik wrote:
the Canadian government allows trophy hunters in to the north the hunt polar bears.


Aren't polar bears going extinct?

Thats what I thought, but the bloody government here, has their collective heads up their asses, and allow big game hunters to kill these bears, not to mention our grizzly bears, which are being crowed out of their habitat.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:25 pm

Killing animals for sport sucks.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:26 pm

The reason why they over populate is because there are no natural predators to destroy the old and weak. It is common for deer hunters to try to kill the biggest buck, therefore eliminating the strongest male. The bigger the antlers, the better genes of the buck and big antlers look better on walls so they say. Back in the early 90's the wolf was reintroduced in Yellowstone. It took a year and the deer population began to stabilize. Then the wolves controlled the population of the deer so good that there was nothing for the sports hunters to kill so then they started killing the wolves.

Humans are the most destructive and over populated animal.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:29 pm

With omega-6 and combinations of vegetarian foods forming complete proteins, it's more than possible to be a healthy, practicing Vegan. The conditions that these animals suffer and live in is a good enough reason to become vegan and with a little education, it's a superior diet, as well. I have nothing against eating meat. It's just that I don't feel comfortable with it because of how these animals are raised and what they are being subjected to throughout their entire life-cycle that makes the difference.



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25 Aug 2008, 5:26 pm

I have a profound admiration of nature and its beauty, and a deep love of animals.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to hunt, but I'm always minded that the FBI actively search out and monitor childhood animal torturers and arsonists because these are diagnostic markers for criminal psychopathy.

And to my mind, hunting seems like something of an extension of that.

To be able to shoot a deer, you have to be able to see no beauty in it, ie - have very limited aesthetic sensibilities and a very cold heart.

Shooting an animal isn't so very far from shooting a human being.



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25 Aug 2008, 5:35 pm

Do you eat a human beong after you shoot it(excluding canniballs here)?

Also Catching the fish and letting it off the hook can be very fun, it doesn't harm the animal because the mouth where the hook is is numb so the fish doesn't feel a thing unless of course the hook goes deeper into the mouth but the only people that use those kinds of hooks fish to eat instead of fish to fun.


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25 Aug 2008, 5:57 pm

thank aspiartist- quite true! ;-)

im a vegitarian (over 20 years) and tiink hunting, even killing, any animal is wrong- as humans we have the ability to make moral choices, and raise ourselves above base instainct, selfish needs.

however- each time i see phesants- i just long to kill them. somehow they activate some weird, non begitarian-pacifist element with me and i long to career after them and get them and eat them! weird, non? they just look like walking food to me- theya re SO stupid- they run away making the biggest noise possible- as though they hope one will chase them!

so i do understand- i just resist this urge. much the same as i manage to resist the urge to punch people who engage in prolonged, loud phone conversations on the bus- its self control.

from what ive read here, many aspies seem very able to relate to animals in more immediate way than relating to other people.
i am one of the sad goes-up-to-any-dog-or-cat people to pet it. :oops:

id rather see the rude, noisey people running for their lives.



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25 Aug 2008, 6:02 pm

I have problems carving a turkey or killing a bug, so killing an animal for sports is completely foreign to me.



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25 Aug 2008, 6:40 pm

MemberSix wrote:
I have a profound admiration of nature and its beauty, and a deep love of animals.

I'm not sure why people feel the need to hunt, but I'm always minded that the FBI actively search out and monitor childhood animal torturers and arsonists because these are diagnostic markers for criminal psychopathy.

And to my mind, hunting seems like something of an extension of that.

To be able to shoot a deer, you have to be able to see no beauty in it, ie - have very limited aesthetic sensibilities and a very cold heart.

Shooting an animal isn't so very far from shooting a human being.


What you said reminds me of my recent trip to Yosemite Valley. Me and my husband were out by the Merced river and a mule doe and 2 fawns walked up right in front of us and started eating as if nothing were amiss. (of course, they're protected there so don't fear humans as much). When I saw her and her beautiful fawns all I could do was stare for the longest time and think how beautiful they were and how there was no amount of money that could've paid me to kill them. I could just never get it and never do it.


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25 Aug 2008, 6:45 pm

trewissick, maybe you're just missing something serious in your diet and need a steak. There are those that are range fed and would be more ethical in terms of consuming.



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25 Aug 2008, 6:46 pm

Take all you want but eat all you take.



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25 Aug 2008, 6:47 pm

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I hope that I don't anger anyone with this post, but I've always felt disgusted with people that like to go out and shoot animals just for a hobby. Now I don't see anything wrong with deer hunting, because as you may already know they are known to over-populate if left alone, and will starve to death and get hit by cars...so hunting them almost seems better than watching them starve to death, etc. But people that inevitably come to me and my hubby and brag about how they shot a bear or moose, etc. etc. as if it makes them manly and/or cool, makes me sick. What did this animal ever do to you? Are you starving and needed the food? I highly doubt it. Now I will probably seem hypocritical that I'm not a vegetarian. Although I eat very little meat. I think what triggered alot of this in me was one of my husbands friends came over and was bragging about how he taught his 4 year old to shoot a porcupine. WHY would you want to teach a 4 year old to shoot a gun? And why teach them it's ok to be psychotic? I think it's well known that serial killers seem to always start off killing animals when they're younger and then turn to people. Maybe the kid won't turn into a serial killer, but I cannot possibly imagine taking my son out when he turns 4 and saying "ok son we're going to kill an animal today". It just completely disgusts me. I love animals, I think every animals has a place on this earth and to go and kill them just to try to prove you can is an abomination. Does anyone agree with me?


No. I do not agree. There are no similiarities between reputable hunters who obey the wildlife regulations & safety standards and serial killers. The well known serial killers that started off with animals were not the large majority of law-abiding recreational hunters shooting deer, moose or a bear. There were individuals who would get their gratification from torturing animals(i.e. domestic animals such as dogs or cats that would never be legally hunted).


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