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29 Aug 2008, 3:10 am

michel wrote:
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I'll have what he's having.


Count me in! 8)


I'm very sad for you both. AS is not a disease or a curse; it's an advantage that has a price (much like being NT.) I'm always sad for people who don't want to make the best of what they have.

As for the medications 'curing' you, it didn't happen. Altering the brain chemistry frequently has a lasting effect after discontinuation, but it will eventually return to its original state, though by then it's likely that you will have learned to function better so the AS 'symptoms' will be naturally less pronounced anyway.



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29 Aug 2008, 4:00 am

I don't get it. Did you volunteer for the drugs, because I can't really imagine them being forced into you in 2008. Then again...
Anycase; drugs cause a chemical imbalance in your brain - either increasing or reducing certain chemicals. Drugs to "cure" as cause behavioural anomolies - patterns inconsistant to AS neurology. It's a pretty dishonest - both on the behalf of nt's and as - tactic, by my view. Why? Sure, socialization might seem great, but d'ya see the kinds of tv shows social people make?! Okay, kidding there, but this Michael Jackson mentality is weird.
Everybody wants to change - some nt's want as savant skills, others want to "help" us, some as want to be nt, others tend to ignore or hate nt's, or be more inclined to welcome their own differences. Some still get offended that not all as want a cure! Only examples, of course.

My point is, if you don't like the end result, why did you pursue it...?


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29 Aug 2008, 4:41 am

If you don't like it, then is it possible to get off/taper off them? No one should be able to force you to be on anything, to be anyone, you don't want to be. If you're under-aged or otherwise under the thumb of others, explain your concerns about identity and abilities to them and see if they'll consider taking you off the medications. If you have to, maybe throw in some (not necessarily true) side effects that even they will understand to be uncomfortable and just plain inconvenient. Otherwise, there's ways to make it look like you've taken your pills while really getting rid of them.

Myself, during that time that I was forced on pills, I became a master of the "press medication under tongue until need of a napkin presents itself" technique of pill disposal (though that only works with paper napkins, unless you have a really thick amount of food to spit out that it will get lost in) - not to mention the usual "flush down toilet or throw in dumpster at earliest convenience" technique. Eventually I got caught, but by that time I could bring up the fact that they hadn't noticed a significant amount of difference between me on pills and me off of them in order to justify forcing me to take them.

Only do this if you can do so and still be functional, but good luck in making your mind what you want it to be again.



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29 Aug 2008, 7:09 am

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sure i think like an nt. I hate it


Mental habits. Some people will call me evil for suggesting it, but the cure for your cure is lsd.

one dose should be all it takes. Add a once monthly marijuana high, and you will be back to your old savant self in no time.


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29 Aug 2008, 7:20 am

It should be possible to retrain yourself to think more like you did before. The conscious part of the brain is extremely powerful and can actually alter the neurochemical balances of the entire brain. If you want to think more logically all you have to do is remember to focus on doing so at every oppertunity and eventually it will become instinct. I myself was recently able to almost completely wipe out anger and hate within myself. Something that came in handy over the summer, since I could tolerate jobs most other people would find excessively miserable.


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29 Aug 2008, 7:23 am

General
1.Psychology is the study of the human mind. Most specifically the psyche, most generally All of human behavior.
2. The human Brain is composed of between 40 and 70 different organs, depending upon
how you define differences. These are called brodmanns brain areas. Each brain area
is responsible for specific types of brain processes and mental functions.
3. The human mind has four main operational conditions, they are beta brainwave states, alpha brainwave states, delta brainwave states, and theta brainwave states. Each of these might be further subdivided into waking or sleeping states of consciousness.
4. Beta brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the frontal lobes. Alpha brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the Mammalian brain or Occipital lobes, and Delta brainwaves states are those where the brain is dominated by the Reptilian Brain or brain stem. Theta brain wave states are
a second waking condition in which the body is healed, or, in which the normal flow of
dominance from top of brain to bottom of brain is reversed, and the bottom of the brain
loads information into the top, which is then experienced as dreams.
5. We have instincts which compel us to seek out gratification of our needs. All behavior is motivated by a conscious or unconscious belief that said behavior will get some need met.
6. Psychology involves first an instinct, which compels a thought process, and then a planning or strategizing session in which the individual uses their maps of reality and belief systems as well as learned knowledge and social conditioning to arrive at an end
product of doing something to get what you want. Schema are maps of reality which we
use as tools to meet our needs .Social Conditioning and personal experience and learning
play vital roles in helping the mind to think up tactics to meet needs.
7. Criminal behavior is behavior which that person believes will get their needs met. Punishment was well demonstrated to have little or no effect on learning curve. What is required for a person to change their behavior is a functional tactic that does work to get their needs met.
8. Groupthink is a social phenomenon of psychology where a group uses false
consensus process to end up behaving stupidly as a group. Groupthink occurs when
people cave into social pressures, where propaganda replaces knowledge or facts, and where group identity is created out of participation in group delusions, lies, codependency, or criminality. Groupthink is how a mob drifts to the lowest common denominator, and why a mob is potentially vicious, evil, and sociopathic. Group
authority ameliorates and dissolves personal conscience, and by having their emotions
manipulated and their social identity threatened, people give up their own better judgment and accept the judgment of the most psychopathic member of the group.
9. Pack Psychology is the psychology exhibited primarily by mammals in small groups
in which 3 primary roles are assumed by social participants. The roles are Alpha- the leader, Beta- the followers, and Delta- the orbiters. In human society that translates in a super-simplified way into bullies, cliques, and nerds.
10. Problem solving psychology must contend against groupthink and pack psychology in the arena of opinion. Problem solving psychology is emotionally neutral and uses the mind and logic to look at all aspects of a problem and try to come up with a viable problem solving process. Problem solving psychology is the worst enemy of both
Rightist and Leftist Dogmatists. True problem solving psychology comes from the place of the radical middle. It takes in all sides and all viewpoints, and it gives each its fair dues
And attention in creating a problem solving process that works from the big picture down through into the nano details.


Psychology;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology
http://psychology.about.com/
http://www.psychology.org/
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-psychlgy.html
http://www.socialpsychology.org/

Brodmanns brain areas and etc;
http://www.umich.edu/~cogneuro/jpg/Brodmann.html
http://spot.colorado.edu/~dubin/talks/b ... dmann.html
http://www.whale.to/b/brain.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodmann_area
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re ... uman_brain
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/capsule ... une05.html
http://www.csuchico.edu/~pmccaff/syllab ... unit4.html
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/qa2.html

brainwaves;
http://www.brainwaves.com/brain.html
http://pages.prodigy.net/unohu/brainwaves.htm
http://brain.web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm
http://www.crossroadsinstitute.org/eeg.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwaves


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29 Aug 2008, 7:24 am

NarfMann wrote:
michel wrote:
prillix wrote:
I'll have what he's having.


Count me in! 8)


I'm very sad for you both. AS is not a disease or a curse; it's an advantage that has a price (much like being NT.) I'm always sad for people who don't want to make the best of what they have.

As for the medications 'curing' you, it didn't happen. Altering the brain chemistry frequently has a lasting effect after discontinuation, but it will eventually return to its original state, though by then it's likely that you will have learned to function better so the AS 'symptoms' will be naturally less pronounced anyway.


Some people just want to be cured, you can't judge them like that.

I personally think this anti-cure thing is a *bad* as the pro-cure thing. Both zealots.



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29 Aug 2008, 7:30 am

my theory is that AS is gods way of giving humans a way out of their groupthink and mass insanity and etc.

To put it the other way, what is the evolutionary bonus for AS? IE, its common enough that apparently its a survival trait.

So?

I'm not madonna or robin williams or tori amos. I'm me. And I'm me for the reason and purpose of being me.Wishing to be different than me is both impossible and counter productive. The only useful mental exercise is figuring out how to be me in a way that makes me happy.

AS is not a disease, and for the most part its not even a disability. Its a brain and cognition difference which is a survival trait
because we are more advanced problem solvers.

So solve problems, and enjoy being who you are.


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29 Aug 2008, 7:46 am

Symptoms may be quelled, though medicating the underlying mechanisms cannot go so far as to 'correct' the 'abnormality.' Some propose certain neurons may reconnect, however, I do not believe the word 'cure' can be diligently used with regards to a genetic difference.
Enjoyed prometheuspanns response.



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29 Aug 2008, 7:48 am

:salut:

what jenk said :!:


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29 Aug 2008, 8:19 am

^

I basically agree with you on the role and nature of AS, yet can't make up my mind wether it would be better to take SSRIs to reduce the negative aspects (social anxiety, prone to depression). I have been on them for 8 months and I'm currently off, now I feel more like my true self, yet I can't deny my level of anxiety is too high and sometimes it's a big problem. A part of me still thinks that I would be just a better me with those 10 mg of paroxetine...such a difficult decision...



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29 Aug 2008, 8:46 am

my feeling is that you need coping skills, not drugs.

My other feeling is that i'd be happy to share mine.

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29 Aug 2008, 8:47 am

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I swear these stupid "meds i have been on have elimimated all aspie traits even after i am now off it. I hate it


If the meds eliminated all your aspie traits, then you probably aren't an aspie. The only thing meds could change would be depression, anxiety, other psychological problems. They have no effect on traits that aren't psychological.



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29 Aug 2008, 8:49 am

Perhaps you could go to a medicinal herbalist or dietician. Again must state the obvious that you will function far more efficiently if you strictly adhere to a diet that bests suits your body, instead of popping in a few more compounds without first addressing your overall state of health.

My staples are...Butternut sqaush, Broccolli, Lettuce and other leafy greens, Seeds, Olive oil, carrots, parsnips, peeled pears, Manuka honey and previously Salmon/Sardines/trout, now lin/flaxseed pastes ec. I also take Omega supplements, allergen free multivitamins and digestive enzymes. 5-HTP may induce sleep, a rest routine works wonders for anxiety, though I have difficulty adhering to this, in times of high stress I make myself lie in bed with lavender clad pillows by a certain time. There is a wealth of knowledge to help you naturally address your anxiety and other health issues, failing this, medicine is an available option.

Could start small, switch nightshades which lead to arthritus ie potatoes and tomatoes to sweet potato (yams.) Then perhaps meat and shellfish family for fresh oily fish. Then eliminate dairy for water or milk substitute. Next Gluten for rice cakes, chickpea/tapipoca flours so on so forth, then your taste buds will adapt and you can decide what works best for you. There is a wealth of knowledge to help you address your anxiety without the quick fix medicinal route. It takes a strong will, a few weeks of feeling rubbish and a willingness to attempt new foods, but it worked for me, I woke up.

Diet is key, truly, allergies/intolerances aside, though there are very few who would live on filtered water and basic fresh food components. Shame for them, because I have developed at an increased rate in the past year, both intellectually and physically.



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29 Aug 2008, 8:50 am

prometheuspann wrote:
my feeling is that you need coping skills, not drugs.

My other feeling is that i'd be happy to share mine.

:D


Brilliant, do share...



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29 Aug 2008, 8:52 am

thats not true. the right combination of meds can more or less turn a slight aspie into an NT. The problem with this is that a slight aspie has serious advantages over NTs, and the exchange isn't worth it.

You loose more than you gain in the bargain.

In essence, AS is increased communication between brodmanns brain areas in violation of the illusion of the ego fields
stage of the proximal stimulus. Anti psychotics (and etc) can in theory drop brain functioning (And all anti psychotics are actually poisons) enough so that this extra communication stops, if it was only a small amount to begin with.


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