What happens to Autistic Children if parent give up custody?

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06 Sep 2008, 7:30 pm

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what reason is there for making someone without custody to pay child support when if both parents don't have custody neither have to pay child support


Because in the first case, the person is paying the child's other parent to off-set the cost of raising the child as a single parent. Get it? They are paying a *person* in order to alleviate financial hardship. In the second case, they would be paying the government, which does not experience financial hardship from raising a child. The government doesn't need fifty bucks a week (or whatever) to keep bread on the table, the way a single parent might.

I see your point (that parents shouldn't be able to shirk financial responsibility in one situation and not the other), but there *is* an important difference between the two situations.



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06 Sep 2008, 7:32 pm

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but then why do some parents have to pay child support even if there not married and do not have custody?

isn't that the same thing? guy has a kid drops custody doesn't have to pay child support?


One parent pays the OTHER until the child reaches 18, and that is IT!



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06 Sep 2008, 7:37 pm

I assumed he was saying it would go to the child's benefit.



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06 Sep 2008, 7:40 pm

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I assumed he was saying it would go to the child's benefit.


The kid isn't paying to raise themselves, though. A kid in the foster care system does not pay for their own food, clothes, etc., which is what child support is meant for.



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06 Sep 2008, 7:43 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
I assumed he was saying it would go to the child's benefit.


The kid isn't paying to raise themselves, though. A kid in the foster care system does not pay for their own food, clothes, etc., which is what child support is meant for.

I never said it was. I assumed he was saying the child should have the extra money as benfit, not actually given the cash to spend. Whether it is from the tax payers or directly form the parents on top of tax they pay it is still benefit.



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06 Sep 2008, 7:43 pm

ProtossX wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
ProtossX wrote:
but then why do some parents have to pay child support even if there not married and do not have custody?

isn't that the same thing? guy has a kid drops custody doesn't have to pay child support?

Because he is financially responsible for the child, that is the law.


if thats the law why is it the law that if both parents give up custody neither have to pay a cent?

it doesn't make any sense to have a law for one person to have to pay if one person wants to keep it but neither have to pay anything if they both give it up

does that seem very logical to you?


Actually, it DOES have a kind of logic! The money is to support the child! Not FOR the child, or to help the child in support, but FOR support. If the child is in foster care, or becomes a ward of the state, the child's NEW custodians are the ones responsible. If a child is kept by one of the parents, the child is treated almost like a shared debt, and is treated just as any other shared expense under a divorce.

In any event, you won't see the money! Children as pro per generally have NO standing in the US anyway.



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06 Sep 2008, 7:53 pm

ProtossX wrote:
so basically your saying


1. If Both parents give up custody to the child neither pays any child support

2. If One parent has custody of the child the one who doesn't have custody pays child support

I'm saying it should be

3. If Both parents give up custody they both have to pay child support towards foster care/adoption parents (IMO) <--- THIS

got it yet?

what reason is there for making someone without custody to pay child support when if both parents don't have custody neither have to pay child support

you can't really be inbetween on this issue from the way i see it either you want one child support or you don't if you think that people putting someone up for adoption should clear you of all legal financial things then single parents who want to take it on should not have recieve support from the person without custody either if they don't want to.


The single parents DON'T have to recieve support. They FIGHT for it!! !! And foster parents ALREADY get too much. EVERYONE pays for them! And if people adopt, they are basically taking the child AS THEIR OWN! They have no right to extra help.



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06 Sep 2008, 8:04 pm

They end up in group homes for disabled children and when they hit the age of 22 they may go to the ARC.[If the I.Q is below 75.] However for less severe cases like aspergers they usually end up in foster care.



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06 Sep 2008, 8:09 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
ProtossX wrote:
so basically your saying


1. If Both parents give up custody to the child neither pays any child support

2. If One parent has custody of the child the one who doesn't have custody pays child support

I'm saying it should be

3. If both parents give up custody they both have to pay child support towards foster care/adoption parents (IMO)

got it yet?

Yes and that is a very valid opinion. I would say in the majority of cases, the parent(s) that give up for adoption, believe that it wouldn't be financially viable child support or not. If there is no money there they can't pay chid support. Child support is mostly a percentage. Sometime it isn't always the same for each case.


ok so like what if a person without custody of a child cannot finacially support a child but is required too? see it just doesnt make sense your forcing someone to take responsiblity who doesn't want to, and yet you force nobody if neither want to so whats the difference



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06 Sep 2008, 8:12 pm

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ok so like what if a person without custody of a child cannot finacially support a child but is required too? see it just doesnt make sense your forcing someone to take responsiblity who doesn't want to, and yet you force nobody if neither want to so whats the difference

I depends on the jurisdiction and what the judge ruled but basically as soon as they can afford it they will pay, plus they may have to pay it backdated.



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06 Sep 2008, 8:16 pm

To answer the original question. What would happen if the child was autistic? Well in theory the principle should be the same but the reality could be different. On thing might be that autistic children might be more prone to be given up for adoption and or having a single parent, but I have no evidence either way.

I need to sleep, it is 2am. :lol:



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06 Sep 2008, 9:21 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
ProtossX wrote:
so basically your saying


1. If Both parents give up custody to the child neither pays any child support

2. If One parent has custody of the child the one who doesn't have custody pays child support

I'm saying it should be

3. If Both parents give up custody they both have to pay child support towards foster care/adoption parents (IMO) <--- THIS

got it yet?

what reason is there for making someone without custody to pay child support when if both parents don't have custody neither have to pay child support

you can't really be inbetween on this issue from the way i see it either you want one child support or you don't if you think that people putting someone up for adoption should clear you of all legal financial things then single parents who want to take it on should not have recieve support from the person without custody either if they don't want to.


The single parents DON'T have to recieve support. They FIGHT for it!! !! And foster parents ALREADY get too much. EVERYONE pays for them! And if people adopt, they are basically taking the child AS THEIR OWN! They have no right to extra help.


excuse me but ARE YOU a foster child?

Were you raised in orphanage or an institution like some autistic's and badly treated and giving no spending money for your childhood?

Sir excuse me but u have no reason to be claiming stuff unless you have experienced it first hand.

Every kid between 1-18 should be entitled to both parents pay check to provide support no matter what imo u have a baby you have responsibilities period an the govenrment should throw u in jail if u dont many childs aren't getting proper care for the amount money they shold be gettin in child support an are just making it barely that isn't raising a child.

Parents should be forced by law to support there child no matter where they are until 18 PERIOD no matter there disability PERIOD NOW GET OUTA MY FACE



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06 Sep 2008, 11:40 pm

ProtossX wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
ProtossX wrote:
so basically your saying


1. If Both parents give up custody to the child neither pays any child support

2. If One parent has custody of the child the one who doesn't have custody pays child support

I'm saying it should be

3. If Both parents give up custody they both have to pay child support towards foster care/adoption parents (IMO) <--- THIS

got it yet?

what reason is there for making someone without custody to pay child support when if both parents don't have custody neither have to pay child support

you can't really be inbetween on this issue from the way i see it either you want one child support or you don't if you think that people putting someone up for adoption should clear you of all legal financial things then single parents who want to take it on should not have recieve support from the person without custody either if they don't want to.


The single parents DON'T have to recieve support. They FIGHT for it!! !! And foster parents ALREADY get too much. EVERYONE pays for them! And if people adopt, they are basically taking the child AS THEIR OWN! They have no right to extra help.


excuse me but ARE YOU a foster child?


NOPE, but I HAVE met and heard people that were foster parents. What do foster kids have to do with anything?

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Were you raised in orphanage or an institution like some autistic's and badly treated and giving no spending money for your childhood?


NOPE, but NOBODY is required to give ANY kid "spending money"!

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Sir excuse me but u have no reason to be claiming stuff unless you have experienced it first hand.


Since the kids are not involved, we aren't talking about the kids. The money goes to the CUSTODIANS! What THEY do is ANYONE'S GUESS.

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Every kid between 1-18 should be entitled to both parents pay check to provide support no matter what imo u have a baby you have responsibilities period an the govenrment should throw u in jail if u dont many childs aren't getting proper care for the amount money they shold be gettin in child support an are just making it barely that isn't raising a child.

Parents should be forced by law to support there child no matter where they are until 18 PERIOD no matter there disability


Well, it is hard to know what all you meant there. What do the kids care about where the money comes from?

Frankly, it should be illegal for a person or couple to have a child if they can't provide for the child right up to and including basic college education. And I mean HAVE as in to even CONCEIVE! That would mean NO foster care, NO orphanages, Fewer kids, etc.... Food would be cheaper, death rates would be lower, etc... Unfortunately, too many see that as a constitutional issue, and would SUE anyone attempting to pass such rules.

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PERIOD NOW GET OUTA MY FACE


Obviously, you never met me. I NEVER "get into people's faces"... *******NEVER*******!

BTW it is interesting that you should say all that. I actually WAS in an orphanage once. My mother just moved, I never knew where my father lived, and my best friend that I was with was DEAD! I WAS afraid that I might have to stay there. Oh yeah, I was about 8 or 9 at the time. I am certainly NOT one to be as scrooge was. It would be nice if every decent orphan could end up as annie. :lol:



06 Sep 2008, 11:53 pm

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Frankly, it should be illegal for a person or couple to have a child if they can't provide for the child right up to and including basic college education. And I mean HAVE as in to even CONCEIVE! That would mean NO foster care, NO orphanages, Fewer kids, etc.... Food would be cheaper, death rates would be lower, etc... Unfortunately, too many see that as a constitutional issue, and would SUE anyone attempting to pass such rules.



I would hate that rule. I want to have kids and so does my boyfriend. School was real hard for me and I struggled because the work was hard. So I didn't go to college. My boyfriend can't even go because he never finished high school due to being held back three times, so he got too old to go. He couldn't get his GED because the questions were too hard. He tried getting it on the internet but the pre test was too hard. I think he should try again though but college would be too hard for him because of his learning disabilities. He struggled in school too, more than me in fact, brain damage is part of the problem. Teachers had to teach him things over and over and over and over and over because things did not stick in his head as fast as the others kids. He didn't even start reading till he was 11 or 12 because that's how long it took them.



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06 Sep 2008, 11:56 pm

The US government would never agree to that you see they want more tax payers fewer kids mean less tax payers and they need more money for social security.



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07 Sep 2008, 12:14 am

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Frankly, it should be illegal for a person or couple to have a child if they can't provide for the child right up to and including basic college education. And I mean HAVE as in to even CONCEIVE! That would mean NO foster care, NO orphanages, Fewer kids, etc.... Food would be cheaper, death rates would be lower, etc... Unfortunately, too many see that as a constitutional issue, and would SUE anyone attempting to pass such rules.



I would hate that rule. I want to have kids and so does my boyfriend. School was real hard for me and I struggled because the work was hard. So I didn't go to college. My boyfriend can't even go because he never finished high school due to being held back three times, so he got too old to go. He couldn't get his GED because the questions were too hard. He tried getting it on the internet but the pre test was too hard. I think he should try again though but college would be too hard for him because of his learning disabilities. He struggled in school too, more than me in fact, brain damage is part of the problem. Teachers had to teach him things over and over and over and over and over because things did not stick in his head as fast as the others kids. He didn't even start reading till he was 11 or 12 because that's how long it took them.


I was talking about PROVIDING for it. Of course, not everyone would go. I wasn't suggesting that. I'm sorry to hear about your boyfriend's problems... I wish you the best.