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22 Sep 2008, 4:29 pm

I bet all your friends think they are better than you and you don't realize it. Self loathing aspie. :roll:


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22 Sep 2008, 4:34 pm

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I have Asperger's, but aspies in general piss me off because:

-They whine a lot.
-They can't take any criticism.
-They only see things from their point of view.
-They're selfish (lack of empathy).
-They think--without ANY evidence- that having Asperger's somehow makes them smarter.
-They confuse being detailed with being smart.
-They always say dumb sh**.
-They assume social rules are illogical just because they don't care to understand the underlying rationales.
-You correct them, then they go back to doing what they did before whenever you tell them they improved.

I have these problems, but not to the same degree because I'm willing to take on new risks.

The typical aspie will not once ask a girl out because he's a p**** and never gets laid. He then blames everything but himself--Asperger's, society, parents, women, feminism, whatever--even though he never took any risks.


You've made a few good points actually. Some of these things apply to some people to varying extents.
I know where you're coming from, but I also understand why people act in such ways. Some of it is understandable, some of it will be outgrown.
Nuerotypicals can just as easily be selfish, arrogant, and blame others for their problems.
Now our goal should be to work on these problems together. No need to be angry at these things. No need to be so harsh.



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22 Sep 2008, 5:10 pm

I-Return wrote:
I have Asperger's, but aspies in general piss me off because:

-They whine a lot.

Isn't that what the board's for ? (Correct me if I'm wrong)
I-Return wrote:
-They can't take any criticism.

I think that's because so many develop a siege mentality, having been picked on wherever they go.
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-They only see things from their point of view.

I think this is a particularly AS symptom - borne of the mind-blindness/general cerebral myopia conferred by the condition. Don't forget the 'Aut' in Autism - it's a form of imprisonment at the end of the day.
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-They're selfish (lack of empathy).

Perhaps, but not for the same reasons as an NT might be - so, in that sense, it's not really the same 'selfishness'.
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-They think--without ANY evidence- that having Asperger's somehow makes them smarter.

Yeah well now, that IS a bit of a fallacy - and probably something of a crutch that's clung to.
They certainly tend to be more academic than NT's - but then academicality never equalled smartness.
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-They confuse being detailed with being smart.

This would be truer for left-brained Autists - who not only suffer Autoid blindness, but even if they didn't - would tend not to see the wood for the trees anyway.
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-They always say dumb sh**.

Hmm. You sound like a feckin' redneck now.
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-They assume social rules are illogical just because they don't care to understand the underlying rationales.

If you were to subtract instinctual social 'comprehension' from an NT, social rules would be just as non-sensical/illogical to him.
But yes, there appears to be a greater readiness to condemn the mis/non-understood rather than an acceptance that maybe the Aspoid himself might lack something - and therefore, be the one with the issue.
I think it stems from a certain amount of intellectual frustration at the total inability to comprehend a real world phenomenon (not something he might ordinarily be accustomed to).
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-You correct them, then they go back to doing what they did before whenever you tell them they improved.

Maybe because they were expecting more from the 'improvement', not realising that it was not in fact, 'the key' to their problems but a tiny element of a massive and multi-dimensional canvas.

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I have these problems, but not to the same degree because I'm willing to take on new risks.

Don't forget that most Aspoids on here look waaay less Aspergic than they actually are in real life, because you don't see the person or the condition.
So for the most part, you're dealing with people who are probably substantially LF than you suppose.

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The typical aspie will not once ask a girl out because he's a p**** and never gets laid. He then blames everything but himself--Asperger's, society, parents, women, feminism, whatever--even though he never took any risks.

Well now, no-one should try and deny that - since it's oft-times, the truth.
But there are several components to that scenario.
1) - Not wishing to go through the nerve-racking and likely unsuccessful and potentially humiliating rigmerole of chatting up a stranger isn't the most enjoyable of pass-times for most Aspoids.

2) - Feeling left out/bereft/frustrated is NEVER something a human being can get used to. We're simply too hardwired as social primates not to find it disagreeable.

So, while your sentiments can be understood in that Aspies can be very frustrating - they must be tempered with the knowledge that most Aspies are a lot more Aspoid than they appear - and so, actually a lot more socially disabled than is perceived.



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22 Sep 2008, 5:19 pm

Never before have I felt so unaspie like or just plain dumb. After reading that post by MemberSix I feel like whining...complaining...carrying on.



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22 Sep 2008, 5:20 pm

It's like when I am stressed out about something, and vent about it, others accuse me of whining, yet when they do it, it's venting.


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22 Sep 2008, 5:23 pm

Maybe I have missed out on the benefits of Aspergenics but then again I am a female Aspei so that gives me some poetic license. Can I be Aspei instead of Aspie?



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22 Sep 2008, 5:37 pm

I-Return wrote:
-They always say dumb sh**.
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Well, yes I do this a lot, apparently. I'm trying to be funny and I know it's absurd, but it gets interpreted as incompetence because they don't know that I know better.


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22 Sep 2008, 5:43 pm

MemberSix wrote:
Isn't that what the board's for ? (Correct me if I'm wrong)

It could be for anything relating to ASDs and other neurological condtions...
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I think that's because so many develop a siege mentality, having been picked on wherever they go."

Another name for that is Paranoia.
MemberSix wrote:
I think this is a particularly AS symptom - borne of the mind-blindness/general cerebral myopia conferred by the condition. Don't forget the 'Aut' in Autism - it's a form of imprisonment at the end of the day..

Black and White thinking, lacking in Theory of Mind, lacking empathy. These are the technical terms for what you describe.
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Perhaps, but not for the same reasons as an NT might be - so, in that sense, it's not really the same 'selfishness'..

Isn't selfishness "selfishness"? Shouldn't everyone strive to be a little less selfish since everyone has to share the world, pretty much. No one gets to have their own way at all times. It might not be for the same reason but at the end of the day, selfishness is selfishness if you are the one who has to put up with someone else's.
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Yeah well now, that IS a bit of a fallacy - and probably something of a crutch that's clung to..

This is something unheard of in the NT. I have never in my life heard of one NT EVER thinking they were smarter than any other NT. Only the Aspie tends to do this. What NT thinks they are smarter than everyone else? There aren't very many smug, cocky NTs out there, that's for certain. Good point!



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22 Sep 2008, 5:46 pm

My inner Aspei I will not betray...



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22 Sep 2008, 6:03 pm

MemberSix wrote:
Hmm. You sound like a feckin' redneck now..

Hmmm he does sound very NT or very APE *giggles*

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But yes, there appears to be a greater readiness to condemn the mis/non-understood rather than an acceptance that maybe the Aspoid himself might lack something - and therefore, be the one with the issue.
I think it stems from a certain amount of intellectual frustration at the total inability to comprehend a real world phenomenon (not something he might ordinarily be accustomed to)..

A certain stubbornness accompanies many neurological conditions, not just Asperger's. Maybe this is what you are eludingto? It boils down to being stubborn and resistent to adaptation and not wanting to change. The tendency is to get stuck in patterns and having a fear of what will happen when faced with what is unknown, or risk-taking.
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Maybe because they were expecting more from the 'improvement', not realising that it was not in fact, 'the key' to their problems but a tiny element of a massive and multi-dimensional canvas..

Maybe it's difficult to change? Habits are harder to break? Not everyone can be a Pollack some are mere Picassos.
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Don't forget that most Aspoids on here look waaay less Aspergic than they actually are in real life, because you don't see the person or the condition..

I don't think I look too Aspoidish. I don't even know what that means. As for functioning, I am pretty high functioning, can do everything everyone else does. Driving, cooking, cleaning, whatever.
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So for the most part, you're dealing with people who are probably substantially LF than you suppose.

Not so. Aspeis have a talent for the written word and may, indeed, be hyperlexic.

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Well now, no-one should try and deny that - since it's oft-times, the truth.
But there are several components to that scenario.
1) - Not wishing to go through the nerve-racking and likely unsuccessful and potentially humiliating rigmerole of chatting up a stranger isn't the most enjoyable of pass-times for most Aspoids.

It might seem like a pointless waste of time and not that enjoyable. To be honest, I often don't really care about the strangers I run into. I don't know them, why would I start intruding on their lives by asking a bunch of intrusive questions, being an annoying nuisance and just general bother and making them paranoid because of my excessive interest in things that are personal thus leading them to the conclusion I must certainly be that dreaded stalker.

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2) - Feeling left out/bereft/frustrated is NEVER something a human being can get used to. We're simply too hardwired as social primates not to find it disagreeable.

So, while your sentiments can be understood in that Aspies can be very frustrating - they must be tempered with the knowledge that most Aspies are a lot more Aspoid than they appear - and so, actually a lot more socially disabled than is perceived.

I think Aspeis start out wanting to socialize and be well recieved but because we come off as selfish kids only wanting to talk about what we like, not appearing to be interested in what other kids enjoy, demand things on our terms and seem intolerant of others and what they want (at times) we are rebuffed many a time during various social encounters so that many of us are left with these troublesome personality disorders after our personalit develops making that much harder for us to connect with others. We feel discouraged, exhausted, frustrated, whiny and unwilling to try.



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22 Sep 2008, 6:09 pm

Don't all those things you've listed have more to do with a person's character and personality than whether they're an Aspie or NT? I'm an Aspie and I take some risks. My little sister is NT and SHE keeps doing what she wants even after being told REPEATEDLY not to. That part about going back to what they were doing after improving could just be mere stubborness. -Power Girl



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22 Sep 2008, 6:20 pm

]I too have Asperger's, but aspies in general piss me off because:

-They whine a lot. yep, its very very annoying
-They can't take any criticism. yeah, they 're often times really stuck up too
-They only see things from their point of view. very selfish...
-They're selfish (lack of empathy). lol
-They think--without ANY evidence- that having Asperger's somehow makes them smarter. that is the worst!
-They confuse being detailed with being smart. and write long threads and always refer to them
-They always say dumb sh**. like "I want sex on the third date" lol, when they can't even take the trash out
-They assume social rules are illogical just because they don't care to understand the underlying rationales. anything they don't like or understand they feel should be banned-they feel like everyone should praise them
-You correct them, then they go back to doing what they did before whenever you tell them they improved. ohh don't go into the religion forum

They segregate themselves-They treat NT's, all NT's-no matter who it is (or even if they never met them) like total s**t, because some NT somewhere did something to them-so they think ALL NT's are evil bad people.
They look at them like a sub human almost (some aspies are like Nazi's to me...and that scares the s**t out of me)

The typical aspie will not once ask a girl out because he's a p**** and never gets laid. He then blames everything but himself--Asperger's, society, parents, women, feminism, whatever--even though he never took any risks (my add on) he will become a "psychic vampire" (as I call it) leaching for pity off anyone he can get near him (I was once like that, thankfully I snapped out of it).
He will never try-he will refuse trying "its too hard, I don't like bars, that's social" and expect everything to come to them
now not all aspies are like that (majority of male ones are)-though I prefer women friends anyways (nicer to talk too).



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22 Sep 2008, 6:31 pm

Why I like Aspies (this doesnt mean I don't like NTs though)

- They dont look at my body language too closely and they listen to the words I am saying. Much easier.
- They dont try and look into my eyes too much or expect me to look at theirs
- They understand why I dont like to be touched at times.
- I can discuss things with them that other people wouldnt understand
- They are tolerant of me and my faults
- They dont try and do small talk. And they understand why I like to discuss topics.

There are other things. But I would like to point out that everyone has faults, and also very good things about them.


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22 Sep 2008, 6:43 pm

They segregate themselves-They treat NT's, all NT's-no matter who it is (or even if they never met them) like total sh**, because some NT somewhere did something to them-so they think ALL NT's are evil bad people.

That would be black and white thinking along with a lack of empathy. I think it happens more when stressed, when one has not gotten one's way or something happened that was frustrating and unexpected. If all the NTs would let the Aspeis have their way all the time and always be nice and give everything to the Aspeis the Aspeis would have nothing but kind words for the NTs.
Why is this so hard for the average NT to understand? Do they lack that much empathy?

Okay, that was humor, folks, not being serious.



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22 Sep 2008, 6:45 pm

we're all people
NT's are much nicer then aspies in my opinion
I am not so sure i could ever date an aspie
too many problems
I know one aspie I would consider dating-but she's far away lol



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22 Sep 2008, 7:27 pm

I-Return wrote:

The typical aspie will not once ask a girl out because he's a p**** and never gets laid. He then blames everything but himself--Asperger's, society, parents, women, feminism, whatever--even though he never took any risks.

By that criteria, I am atypical. I do not make a habit of asking girls out, but I can get laid whenever I want.