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Ishmael
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04 Oct 2008, 9:57 am

Hate to break it to you, introvert, but head size has nothing to do with autism - that study is one using limited situational evidence and anectdotes.


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04 Oct 2008, 10:02 am

Never mind. It was just a thought - after seeing some random video on Youtube.

Take a look if you fancy. Other studies listed under 'more info'.

The top video on Youtube after searching 'autism large head'.



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04 Oct 2008, 10:06 am

I have read that larger head size is common with ASDs. It isn't a guaranteed indictation but it has some validity.



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04 Oct 2008, 10:10 am

UK!! ! WOOP WOOP!! ! nah but it does sound aspie



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04 Oct 2008, 10:14 am

isn't the 2nd to 4th digit ratio more of an indicator of autism than a large head...?


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04 Oct 2008, 10:16 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Were you born by C-Section? Is your head that big?


I have read all kinds of interesting things about people born via C-Section. I have read they (generalizing here) are more sensitive to pain and have difficulty dealing with certain things in life because they didn't have the initial birthing process that is supposed to toughen everyone up.


No, I mean was your head literally too big to pass through the birth canal?



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04 Oct 2008, 10:18 am

anna-banana wrote:
isn't the 2nd to 4th digit ratio more of an indicator of autism than a large head...?


A large head could also mean hydrocephaly.



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04 Oct 2008, 10:56 am

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What is sufficient to qualify as a different species?


imnot convinced AS is a different species. i am convincd it is a different race.
like blacks, asians, indians, dwarves, tall people...etc.

all the same species but a different race within that species.....the emergence of a new race?

yes..absolutely.


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04 Oct 2008, 11:01 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I have read that larger head size is common with ASDs. It isn't a guaranteed indictation but it has some validity.


Ah, yes, but we all know what damage people can cause with some potential validity. Having teeth and toes is also common with Aspergers, and neurotypicals have big heads. If the big-headed aspie population was disproportianately larger than that of other people, it might have some validity - but otherwise, I view it with as a theory narrow sighted enough to earn pity.


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04 Oct 2008, 11:04 am

Ishmael wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I have read that larger head size is common with ASDs. It isn't a guaranteed indictation but it has some validity.


Ah, yes, but we all know what damage people can cause with some potential validity. Having teeth and toes is also common with Aspergers, and neurotypicals have big heads. If the big-headed aspie population was disproportianately larger than that of other people, it might have some validity - but otherwise, I view it with as a theory narrow sighted enough to earn pity.


true enough. It does amount to fingers and toes. Most people have a head.



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04 Oct 2008, 11:13 am

donkey wrote:
slowmutant wrote:

What is sufficient to qualify as a different species?


imnot convinced AS is a different species. i am convincd it is a different race.
like blacks, asians, indians, dwarves, tall people...etc.

all the same species but a different race within that species.....the emergence of a new race?

yes..absolutely.


Actually - politics aside - they are the same thing, only different expressions, levels, distinctions and scale. Hence the infighting - where within that spectrum does a particular creature fit, by what standards? Incidentally, the autism mutation is a greater divergence than between races. Which is why the gene affects all races equally; even if apparently more prevalent in some - ROE, perhaps... But it affects so-called "non-superficial" genes - mostly. Which is why aspergers don't immediatly appear different. Genetics are fun.


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04 Oct 2008, 11:26 am

autism is highly heritable, i agree, but genes alone are not enough to explain pattrn of heritability.

in pairs of identical twins where one twin has autism, the other is affected only 60% of the time at most.


according to Casanova ( university of louisville , kentucky)

autism may arise from a combination of a genetic predispostion and an undetermined environmental trigger that combines with a genetic vulnerability. there could be a window of vulnerability and the timing of the insult is of great importance.

try frontiers in neuroscience vol .1 p.77


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04 Oct 2008, 11:59 am

I think I should point out genes can actually be enough to result in autism; genetic presence is not a gaurantee of hereditability, but unfortunately the common misinterpretation of basic genetic principle leads many to believe if a trait is not present than genetics cannot be involved... Truth is, I've yet to hear a credible account of these so-called environmentally triggered autistics. It's unlikely, and I rule it out temporarily. There's just too little evidence and too much emotion behind the theory, for now. More likely specific interacting gene sequences from one parent with "dormant" autism gene. That accounts for variance within the spectrum.

But, again, enough of this - off topic for the thread.


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04 Oct 2008, 12:04 pm

I hate asparagus; it's far too mushy.



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04 Oct 2008, 12:06 pm

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I hate asparagus; it's far too mushy.


It's great lightly steamed or uncooked!



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04 Oct 2008, 12:12 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's great lightly steamed or uncooked!


They said something similar about pumpkin and sweet potato. They didn't attempt to do such with me again.