On being gifted as well as Aspergers

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ok what it is and dont say im crazy or anything cos i hear it too much from my family but when i get these visions they are never specifically about any one thing it could be anything ranging from an event taking place on a specific date to me about to throw a toy at my little brother but i have been getting these for about 5 years now

and about a month or so later they actually happen in the exact way i had saw them

I had a couple of experiences with the Sight when I was a kid. It spooked me.

I'm gifted. I've spent time in Mensa, Triple Nine Society, a short-lived forum for gifted women, and Cerebrals. I skipped a grade in math and english in middle school, and could have finished high school a year early, but didn't know what to do next, so stalled. Mostly I was bored out of my mind at school and didn't really learn how to learn until after my third university degree, when all I could afford to do was read library books.

I think when you're gifted and find school easy, they tend to ignore you and so it's easier for a disability to be missed. Although, my kindergarten teacher thought I was ret*d. She didn't know I already knew how to read.

kleodimus, I think what you are referring to could be a sort of intuition--recognizing patterns and seeing the rest of the pattern, which happens to be in the future. Very simple version: You see a kid eating a popsicle while skateboarding. You're pretty sure he's going to drop the popsicle. A second later, he does. You've just completed a pattern. More complicated versions, like knowing what's going to happen in world history, are certainly possible. You won't be right all the time, but when you are right, you'll remember it strongly.

Gifted/AS... I think they can compensate for each other. Without my own giftedness, I doubt I would be capable of living on my own; because I've carefully analyzed things like doing laundry, paying bills, etc., and found ways to do them despite limitations. Also, giftedness might grant the ability to get through college--I hope--meaning no more disability payments, if I can also work out the process of getting a job.

Gifted/AS can also clash, though. Your interests might be totally different from everyone else's; but with average intelligence, other people will probably be able to understand what you're talking about. But if you're a 12 year old fascinated by relativity theory... that's not so easy. You don't even see eye-to-eye. Adults usually think you're cute, though. Heh.

Regarding giftedness and IQ: They aren't quite the same thing. While most gifted kids do have high IQs, 130+, there's also a certain creativity, flexibility of thought... the ability to use the high IQ to do more than just memorize, analyze, and calculate, which is what shows up on the IQ test. Thinking of new ideas and solving problems are big marks of giftedness, beyond just IQ. In some areas, especially social, music, art, and physical coordination, I can see someone being "gifted" with just a normal IQ. IQ just doesn't measure everything.

Oh, and giftedness isn't a predictor of success. Above a high-normal IQ, career success actually drops. I think it must be the social disconnect that happens when one mind works differently from another--much like Asperger's.

I'm pretty sure mine do too. Some (side) aspects of what they measured in the IQ test are things I'm good at - in everyday life.

A keen observation of what I perceive, ability to react fast or, for example, though I can't mimic someone while dancing or doing sports, I actually learn faster than those others who can mimic and thus with a little training can memorise and perform on my own.

And of course pattern recognition in everything and everyone, seeing a lot of them and being able to analyse them at a high speed. My whole socialisation is founded upon being able to perceive the patterns in people and actions. Without it - I don't see how I'd be able to do even basic social things. I'd have no clue what's going on.



Yeah, most of my teachers at 2 schools (except 2 teachers) just said 'You did wrote 4 pages here, there's the correct start, I read that you figured out the correct solution, but I cannot understand any of what is in-between beginning and end.'

So far I think it's got lots to fo with my ASD.

I don't for 1 moment think that it was over their heads - some quite intelligent, educated people there - just that how I said it was the huge issue of failed communication, explanation and argumentation that is not carried over in the way that the other knows what it says.

One of my tests in the finals was a verbal exam and I got an A for my analysis. For the past 4 years, I got Ds and Es in my written exams for my analyses in all subjects. Seriously, that's so odd.

Nah, with teachers it's generally not over their heads. Well, not usually. In your specialist subjects, it can be. But kids your own age? Kind of out of touch with them. Doubly out of touch, with AS/giftedness. Actually, gifted NTs tend to be more on my wavelength than typical NTs, though I guess if they're gifted they're not quite NT anyway...

the first one i had was when i threw a toy at my lil bro and it happened 5 months later in the same room with the same toy and it hit him in the exact same place as he was running in the exact same direction as my vision, that was a few years ago that happened.

I have always thought that all aspergers thought they could "predict the future", it's like having a mind in googles, but it's actually a chess match, seeing the next moves, felling you're a mix of Garry Kasparov and Nostradamus, then you find Lahur Sessa, Kramnik, Capablanca, Laker and Deep Blue against you. It happened to me when I was a kid. I once did a "magic trick" to guess what number other kids at school were thinking, but I actually used algebra. I saw someone doing that and he was like "I am a magician" and I was like "duh". But I didn't say it was magic.

I have always heard things like that but in my life they are not true. I have no trouble relating to people based on IQ at all. Other people blame it on that but I can tell it's not that because IQ is just completely not a factor in whether I have communication problems or not with someone.

Familial precognition isn't all that unusual. Who hasn't envisioned kicking their siblings ass once in a while? Especially as kids. Your experience is more self-fullfilled than anything else. Tell me when and where the next state-side terrorist attack will be and then I'll be impressed.

I hate the usage of 'gifted' to describe high intelligence, but apparently the vast majority of my family, at least on my mother's side, test as such. My grandpa was supposedly straight-up genius level, and a very unpleasant person. We've also talked about how we all have 'autistic' traits, but we're mostly typical ADHD with very high IQs.

In Myers-Briggs Jungian terms of personality, we all test as 'intuitors,' for the most part. We, too, like to be able to see the future, and we go against the grain of society.

More often than not, I find the term "gifted" to be used as added lining to a faltering self-esteem. It's a disingenuous label that can be aptly applied to darn near everyone in some fashion or another:
"I don't get along well with people, but I have a really high IQ."
To which I (internally) reply, "So what?"

It is used in schools to seperate students thereby creating a caste-like system: A few select kids that get extra special treatment and recognition and the rest who do not.

In the real world no one but parents of children care about the "gifted" label. Employers simply want someone who can do a job, so long as an employee doesn't do it better than the employer. I have an measured IQ of 132 but it hasn't done squat for me.

To me, being "gifted" is completely negated if you're not a good person.
On the other hand, I know a lot of people that are genuinely GOOD at heart but are not considered "gifted".

I agree with all of that except the 'good person' part, which doesn't play into it at all for me. For one thing, 'good' is subjective, and obviously you can be practically idiotic (technically speaking -- very low IQ) and be sociable, sweet, and compassionate. 'Gifted,' as far as I've ever heard, is just another term for an IQ range below 'genius' and above average. Basically, it means you're particularly good at taking an IQ test, and are probably pretty proficient and mathematical reasoning and problem solving.

I know 'gifted' gets thrown around a lot these days, especially in schools, to help kids. Unfortunately, it probably fosters unwarranted false self image, since the word carries a pretty flattering message. Basically, I don't like anything that outright flatters--I'd rather keep it simple and objective, in this case.

Back when I went to school, I wasn't 'gifted,' I wasn't 'special' -- I was 'difficult'.

And this too shall pass...

(someone give me a lawnmower)

My verbal I.Q. is high (between 130 and 150, depending on the test), but my spatial intelligence is very poor. I always did very well in English, foreign languages and other subjects requiring a lot of reading, but only average in math. Algebra was hard for me.

The anomaly of the high IQ in conjunction with the ASD is that our ability to care enough about what we are being taught in school systems designed for non-visual thinkers who can only think by sitting completely still all day is almost non existent. We learn with our senses, not by being talked at all day. This often means that if we are intrinsically motivated we ace everything and use our free time to pursue our interests obsessively and those of us who are not intrinsically motivated often go through life being told that we can't ever hope to live up to our potential.

I think most IQ tests can't really accurately measure our IQs, so I don't put much stock in them. The other thing is that most IQ tests follow patterns. So if you've taken more than one, then you usually can figure out how they work and then they are really not an accurate measure. Hmmmm....more thought needs to be given to this.

At any rate, I see the high IQ as an earmark to the Asperger's. That's why we're AS and not HFA or LFA. That's also what separates us from the monkeys. Oh, yeah, that and our ability to speak. Go figure.