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Exactly. I drew similar conclusions, Daniel.

I used to be a cleptomaniac...but not from individuals...

also..I don't really walk and talk like normal people.
I walk on my toes and talk in a baby voice alot of the time.

Also...the article reminds me of some sort of high school essay that was written by someone who is not an aspie.

There is no mention of the overly gregarious Aspie types who have no sense of personal boundaries.

Dang, never read a more accurate discription, for my own self anyway. Even the criminal part, lol. A friend and I would often plan how we'd rob a bank if we ever needed to! Seriously though, being a criminal is out of my league, and I know this. I've a reputation for being conscientious to a fault, however I do some very stupid things at times...

poopylungstuffing, nothing is ever complete (unfortunately!), but this is a pretty good rundown, in my opinion at least. There are some very specific things in there, and very few myths mentioned. Only one I see is the "walk and talk normally" part (which I now notice you mentioned-did you edit?!).

The childlike individual who doesn't recognize boundaries probably isn't the most common manifestation of an ASD (compared to the one-sided, formal and pedantic fellow); as it's written in the OP, it's pointing out the usual male stereotype that's very common.

I think I've only seen one person who is of the childlike manifestation on television (compared to the usual manifestation as of the OP): that documentary awhile back, "{something} man" (I know it ended in "man").

Yup.



Not as much as I used to be, but basically, yes.



Afraid so...



Not quite - learn them, yes. But to that degree? No.



No, never had these issues.



Occasionally, but usually not.



This is one of the things I don't notice in myself as much as others tell me its there.



Yeah, I think I am pretty clueless about things like body language. Unless someone does something very overt. Anything subtle is sort of lost on me. Also, I have a hard time not jumping in and interuptuing someone - a) because when I have something to say I usually just want to say it and b) if the person pauses, I have a hard time knowing if they're just pausing, or if they're really done talking.




To a certain degree about the routines - I can settle into one and never change it unless there's a good reason to, but I don't suppose I really mind it when I have to change.



Yeah, eye contact is really, really tough for me.



I don't think I have one sided conversations, but the thing about verbalizing internal thoughts really hits the nail on the head with me. I know I shouldn't but sometimes I find myself doing it anyway without even thinking about it.




Yeah, I've had people tell me my writing's worse than a doctor's, and I have to agree.



Never had that problem.



Dunno about that so much. I don't know what other people think, but I don't find people telling me I'm rude very much, if ever. But I can have a hard time determining other people's feelings - again when they're overt, no problem. Its subleties that confuse me.



Yeah, this is what I'm told or I can deduce from what I'm told.



Yeah, my memory seems better than most. I consider it one of the few benefits of this awful disorder.



Cheerless demeanor? Yes, and I absolutely hate that about myself. Single mindedness, not so sure.



Yes, to a large degree that's true.




Yeah, I think this happened to me and continues to this day.



Again, yes.



Yes, I absolutely hate what seems to me to be meaningless work, busy work, etc. Its one of my pet peeves.

DESCRIBES ME PERFECTLY!




YEP! My internal thoughts, rudeness, etc... is not there anymore for the most part, and my handwriting is fine.



YEP, although I have never been considered ret*d and RARELY spiteful or insubordinate. Although, if I were violent, I WOULD be violent and/or a criminal, I am NONE of those.



YEP!

Sometimes we have these, sometimes we don't.

It's a bunch of stereotypes build from a literal interpretation of the DSM. I'm not sure how useful it really is.

Been said so much in this thread, but yeah: I always find the asp as a victim rather than the instigator. I am not demonstrative but compassionate; this preconception is a false stereotype which must be tackled.

Same here, if anything I'm too "un"trusting. I would like to have someone in my life who I can trust though.

I went to a doctor (I had not visited before) a few months ago with my partner and best friend (the latter is younger than me by a few months). The doctor commented 'I see you've come in with Mum and Dad today.

At university another student was asking if I had drank much (alcohol) during the break. When I told her I did not drink much or get drunk anymore, it came out that I had not been drunk in over a decade. At which point the girl became very confused and asked how old I was. She was so convinced I was the same age as her (not sure how old that was, probably early 20s), that she would not believe I was in my 30s until I showed her my passport.

About 3 years ago, I went to buy cigarettes. I had to return to the car to get my passport as proof of age...the age for buying cigarettes is 18, I was in my 30s.

Last time I tried to enter a licensed premises, I was the only person stopped and asked for id, you have to be 18 to enter, I was (and still am) in my 30s.

I'll stop there. It's quite a frequent occurrence really.

The trouble with the 'predisposed to criminal behavior' statement in the article is that it doesn't recognize the link between being victimized and criminal behavior. Daniel's burning bus depot example demonstrates. Other people are predisposed to torment people with ASD, and ASD makes a person particularly unable to tolerate it. But it's the abuse, not the ASD, that makes Daniel want to burn the bus depot.

An NT kid who was similarly tortured because he had a visible physical deformity might respond in just the same way. But nobody would say that people born with harelips or twisted limbs or whatever are predisposed to criminal behavior. They'd recognize easily that it was being tormented over the deformity that caused the person to become violence-prone.

Aside: Deflecting rage onto inanimate objects like buses, and feeling that burning a bus depot is justified because the grand fire and destruction would be a proportionate physical-world representation of the intensity of a tortured feelings, strikes me as classically human and not particularly AS. People who deliberately destroy things without any hope of concrete gain from the act often say that they did it as a response to some powerful emotion they were feeling at the time.

yep, describes me pretty well, even the "prone to criminal behaviour" part. I'm a constant rule-breaker, I wouldn't hurt anyone who didn't deserve it though.

Well said!

"You cannot separate the just from the unjust and the good from the wicked;
For they stand together before the face of the sun even as the black thread and the white are woven together.
And when the black thread breaks, the weaver shall look into the whole cloth, and he shall examine the loom also." (Gibran)

On the other hand, if it had been my bus station...

Walking? Eh, not really "normal". I walk sort of bent over, and often very stiffly/tensely.
Talk? Sometimes, sometimes not. Sometimes I stutter, or can't say a word. My tone is often flat or "angry" sounding. Sometimes I talk too loudly, sometimes too quietly. Not really "normal".


In my case? Indeed. Very much so.


I wouldn't say I'm "shy". But I do have social anxiety. Very stong/bad social anxiety.
And I was definatly not shy when I was younger.


Yup.


"Often" might be an understatement.


*Shrug* I try, but my "knowledge of the subject(s)" in likelyhood wouldn't be "encyclopedic" because I forget things like whoa.


I don't have OCD at all. Panic attacks I do have.


Yup. Like I said on a different thread:
"I tend to get highly agitated when someone touchs me certain ways (brushing lightly, some "tickling", oh hell, anything that isn't firm, and even some firm things) because it HURTS me. So yeah, I go out of my way to avoid physical contact."


*Laughs* A common thing heard during my childhood: "Stop slouching!".
And I still do. As for "looking depressed"... I suposse. Depends on what one sees as "looking depressed". I tend to have no facial expression, and when I do, it tends to be odd.
I wouldn't say my -eyes- lack life or emotion, though...


Yup. I also tend to inturrupt people when they are talking, and frequently "talk over" them.


My one little routine... if anyone messes with it the slightest, then chances are there will be hell to pay. And I don't lack empathy, but I do -appear- to lack it.


Yes to both.


When I was younger, yeah. These days... only when I have to, or feel like it (on my "better" days.). Otherwise, I don't like to.
Unless talking to myself and verbal stimming are included in this.


Sometimes, sometimes not.


One-sided ones tend to be often for me, yeah.
Not nessacarily because I'm uninterested in what the other person has to say, though. Sometimes I have to keep talking, or I lose my train of thought and/or forget what I'm going to say.


Oh, yes.
Often heard in my house:
Me: *Says something (not to a person) unintelligeble*
Someone else: "What'd you say?" or "Huh?"
Me: "I wasn't talking to you! I was talking to (myself/the cat/my iPod/the computer/the weather/ect)!"


I can't read my own writing sometimes, lol.


Also bright colors, too much movement, too much heat, too much cold, my clothing, strong smells, anything too high pitched, something random and unexpected, my own emotions, ect.
Meltdowns occur often for me.


Only in my own house.
Or someone will think I'm being rude/ignoring them because I can't speak to them/at the moment. Or because I space out. Or because I'm having a meltdown.


That one fits me to a T.


Not me. My memory is absolutly terrible.


Own world? Not often. Only sometimes.
Flat, cheerless demeanor? Check.
Single-mindedness? Not always, but yes, often.


Only when I don't know them or hate them.


Compared to childhood, I changed a whole lot more than "slightly".


Not me. I have three true friends, and that's all I want and can handle.


Approaching was never my problem. Interacting was/is though.


Yes. As it is, I have to often fight the urge to push away my few friends.
And if said friends didn't like me anymore (or any type of scenerio where I and them aren't friends anymore.) I would just give up on all that.


My naivety and trusting got cut off short, somewhere in my earlier years in elemeantry school.
And people have always bullied me/teased me, for any reason, or for no reason at all.


Yup.
I've had situational depression (and thoughts of suicide, and all that yiddy) since at least age seven, and it has turned into clinical depression over the years.


Eh, not me.


Nah, it depends on the individual person for me.


Yeah, I did. But it wasn't just that. I often had trouble with the homework, and did not enjoy feeling stupid. Before I dropped out of high school, that started to include class work too.


My teachers were always saying they were frustrated. And that they were disappointed in me. That never helped me feel any better, either.
"You could do so much better if you only TRIED!"... except I was trying, and a lot harder than any of them ever realized.


Teachers never saw me that way, but others have.


That one is how the teachers saw me.


That's more of how I saw myself.


That's more of how various family members have seen me as.


That one... well. My gym teachers and the school "guidence consulors" saw me that way. Dunno about the other teachers.


Yeah... I have anger problems. And my meltdowns can get a bit violent (though mostly of the self-harm variety.).


Well, when I was younger I had a minor thing with theft.
Sort of petty, really. Me and my cousin(s) would steal Pokemon cards from each other. I would steal stupid little things from other students' desks (candy, pens, cool little notebooks). I stole a little toy from a store once. I understood that technically/legally it was "wrong", but it never felt wrong.
Other random (not so silly/petty things):
I have lots of violent thoughts. I write semi-graphic, (sometimes) swear-filled poetry.
I beat the snot out of one of my mom's boyfriend's kids when he threatened me with a butter-knife. I like to fight (punching, kicking, sort of thing) with my dad. I used to break things when I was younger. I've... threatened some people (with violence, with mind-warfare, with death...).
Yeah.... I can be a bad person sometimes... .__.;

I looked for this article and I only found a cached version of it here:
http://tinyurl.com/4au3cq (I used the tiny url feature to make the very long URL shorter)

That is a complete one-dimensional depiction of people with AS, and the last line is just plain insulting. While the symptoms may have some truth to them, but the spin of it is more negative the flat end of a batterie. I am appalled by the ignorance and audacity of the article; it's actually implying that we are a menace to society. I actually feel ill having read that garbage.