Do you ever think it unfair...

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First reply hit the nail on the head.

To suggest that they should spend hours learning to accommodate for our differences is just selfish. What about all the other conditions? Do you expect these 'NTs' to learn in detail about every single mental and physical condition?

I don't expect my friends/workmates to know every detail about autism. In some ways, I feel the onus is on me to explain small parts ie I process conversations slower than you, sometimes I take things literally, my face doesn't always match up to my emotions inside, don't give me 5 verbal instructions at once. It is not their responsibility to become an expert on my condition. Neither is it necessary.

People that you are intimate with is another story.


If we were a decent sized subculture then maybe, but given I have only met 1 other ASD person in my life, and the high majority of my friends don't know anyone else with it, I think it's rather stupid to expect them to know everything about it.

Yeah it is unfair. Why should I hand out with other people and listen to their boring chit chat but yet not want to talk about what I want to talk about? Ironic isn't it? That's why I would rather not have conversations with people. If they are saying something interesting, I'll talk and listen but I expect the same thing in return. Spokane and Benny & Joon.

Exactly. We're outnumbered.

Yep, thats the problem, the majority of the world is "NT". We have to find a way to function in it. I CAN and I can thank my ability to learn and observe.. which is how I had gained social skills in my teens. And this is why my son is getting early intervention. NOT to change the fact that he is autistic BUT for him to function in this world.. and I call it a cruel and harsh world.. but we have to adapt whether we like it or not.

Main reason why we have to adjust to them and they don't need to adjust to us:

Those in power are invariably NTs and back up the NT way, seeing Aspies as a threat to the hierarchical society that keeps them on top.

The main difference btw NTs and Aspies is the attitude towards social hierarchy.

That never occurred to me. Most, of the parents of the girls I went out with were pretty dismissive of me. They probably didn't take me seriously, and considered me harmless. My wife's folks on the other hand never took to me at all and I think were always hoping I would just go away.

The hierarchy thing. Yeah. I subvert things just by showing up. I always mess up the chain of command.

According to you guys, how many of us are in the world?

Again, I cannot see why NTs would need to adjust especially for you, if you are the only autistic person they form a relationship with (in the broad context, ie work + friends)

No us vs them please... you're creating an artificial divide, and NTs aren't horrid people.

They'd have to live without rather a lot of things that have been created by people on the AS spectrum, though. Torrenting, Pokemon, Theory of Relativity, Computers and probably fire and the wheel, too

You can't 'talk' mission-critical safety systems into being safe. Social skills never got anybody to the moon. When NASA lost sight of real quality and started employing managers based on people skills, the techies got ignored and space shuttles blew up. The whole world would go that way if social skills were all that mattered.



Do you mean they really don't 'have' to adjust, or shouldn't adjust because they're in a majority, presumably? What's the problem with tolerance of difference that isn't a threat to you?

Most of them didn't *want* to adjust to people of different race and gender, either. It's taken decades of litigation and still many of them resist the idea of tolerance.

at this point i really dont care. i'd take a nt freind, even if they were obnoxious, i'd probably even put up with a little of them taking atvantage of me