abusers who target people on the autism spectrum
Someone who is an outright jerk can't harm you in such a way. Such a person is honest about who they are from the beginning and you can make choices based on that.
Ones that put up false fronts are like gift horses. They are far more insidious and can do much more damage. Plus, they can do a number on your ability to trust others.
Aufgehen
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: 5 Aug 2006
Age: 59
Gender: Female
Posts: 68
Location: In a land, Far Far Away
Someone who makes a bunch of excuses or seems to think it's okay or just a front to gain something, that's a red flag to me.
One thing about sociopaths is that they are truly the best manipulators. They are so manipulative most have an outstanding opinion of them, even after they find out things about them. Instead of condemning their behaviour, people who are taken in by their false charm will often defend them, and condone it. What a travesty!
I'd say to people who fall for it to wise up. Don't be fooled by the sweet talkers, unless they really are sweet, lols.
Another thing about sociopaths is they are very common. We all know of one but don't realize it...
Another interesting thing to consider...what if you find yourself liking someone you just met a bit too much and you cannot explain why... What if that person is a sociopath and that's why you like them so much. Maybe the fact that you just met them and yet it seems like you have known them your entire life and you find them so likeable without really knowing anything about them is an indication they could very well be sociopathic.
Which brings me back to the OP topic...
I don't think I am susceptable to sociopathic charm. The reason is I never instantly like someone upon meeting them. I was more like that as a teenager when I had to go to school nearly every day of my life but now that I have an amount of alone time I am not a needy person and am much more indifferent to strangers.
Those are all excellent points and I agree that if you know better you can avoid them, but there are a lot of naive people out there that aren't necessarily needy (I wasn't) that just don't know that people like this exist, I was one of them, the fact that my Dad truly was a gentleman that treated everyone with respect, even if he didn't like them and my family had a lot of integrity and would never take advantage of someone, but they were straight up about their issues, that set me up to be too trusting.. and then there is always those times when things do go wrong in a persons life and I bet the sociopaths out there are more than willing to jump right in and help someone in need, that is one of the reasons I didn't even let anyone new into my life until I was back on my feet
It's an interesting topic for sure. How can you tell someone is really sociopathic? How do they get away with staying sociopathic? Seems like someone would do the right thing and call it to their attention so they can get out of that sociopathic pattern at some point? Especially since the sociopathic personality is so likeable. People tend to think they are salvagable because of the charming personality so are more inclined to feel sorry for them and help them.
My question is: can a sociopath be helped? Can they alter their behaviours based on the ability to develop insight?
Can they be rehabilitated?
Also, is there really such a thing as a sociopath or is it just "sociopathic behaviours"? Maybe there isn't such a thing as a sociopath, since someone can be heartless to one person and not to another. For instance, someone with a prejiduce can display sociopathic tendencies to anyone they have a prejiduce against but not others.
Another consideration: subconscious sociopathic behaviour. Ie: sociopathic acts and patterns the person displaying isn't even aware could be interpreted as sociopathic by others, a mild version.
Physical abuse is obvious, but there's a lot more that isn't.
Yes, I've been in an abusive relationship mainly from the context of emotional puppeterring of such, as my strings were constantly being pulled and I never realised how this person was doing a great deal of manipulation as such.Anyways, that was years ago and I've learned much even if I tend to be less trusting these days, I still try to maintain a sense of optimism & hope though..
Aufgehen
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Joined: 5 Aug 2006
Age: 59
Gender: Female
Posts: 68
Location: In a land, Far Far Away
How can you tell someone is really sociopathic?
I don't think you can with out studying them for a long time
How do they get away with staying sociopathic?
because we live in a world full of enablers who just want to feel like good people and the sociopaths give them that, they are the best ego strokers.
Seems like someone would do the right thing and call it to their attention so they can get out of that sociopathic pattern at some point?
I actually tried to help my abuser recover, he just took everything I said (or the books etc said) and used it to look like he had recovered, I think that the only thing that would really work is something like DBT where the wiring in their brain is corrected otherwise it is still wired to give them a pay off when they abuse, one of my first red flags came from watching what he did to other people and how much satisfaction he got from taking advantage of and manipulating people.
Especially since the sociopathic personality is so likeable. People tend to think they are salvagable because of the charming personality so are more inclined to feel sorry for them and help them.
People love a good pity party don't they, personally I can't stand complainers and whiners (can you guess why?) and yes people are still trying to help him, unfortunately they are trying to help him get back at me because he has convinced them that he is the victim, fortunately I have the actual evidence on my side, I have learned to use his patterns of insanity to protect myself, being autistic has actually helped in this regard.
My question is: can a sociopath be helped? Can they alter their behaviours based on the ability to develop insight?
Can they be rehabilitated?
Only if they really want to be, you can't force someone to change and the unfortunate truth is that what they do works very well in our society to get their needs met, my ex is literally addicted to pity and to praise, he just can't function if he isn't getting is from someone, fortunately his Mom always gives him a good dose of both usually at the same time.. he says that it makes him feel loved
Also, is their really such a thing as a sociopath or is it just "sociopathic behaviours"? Maybe there isn't such a thing as a sociopath, since someone be heartless to one person and not to another. For instance, someone with a prejiduce can display sociopathic tendencies to anyone they have a prejiduce against but not others.
I'm sure there are variations just like with anything else, but in my opinion they don't develop a healthy functioning conscience and then they take all of the dysfunctional things they witness growing up and use them to get their needs met.
Another consideration: subconscious sociopathic behaviour. Ie: sociopathic acts and patterns the person displaying isn't even aware could be interpreted as sociopathic by others, a mild version.
I think most people want to be good people but they feel like they are bad and then project it out into the world so that they can live with themselves, the sad part is that they are full of hate and anger and aren't even capable of feeling the love they so desperately need
Physical abuse is obvious, but there's a lot more that isn't.
I think that when they cracked down on people acting out in physical ways without helping them to deal with what was causing it, it just found a different way to express itself... I do believe that there is hope and what gives me hope is books like a new earth and the power of now by Eckhart Tolle.. his descriptions of what insanity (deeply unconscious) is, has helped me understand people in general better than anything from the psychological world has
I have this weird attitude toward self pity. I know I do it myself sometimes. I have mixed reactions to it. Sometimes I react same as you when others self pity.
If someone seems really troubled I think others should try to understand them, especially online. In real life things are different because people are closer and stakes are higher. It's not nearly as easy.
The internet can be an effective tool for reaching out to someone who may be experiencing difficulty IRL. What they post online being clues to their real life circumstances even if all they are experiencing is a sense of isolation.
It's a chance to help another person. Plus, since there is so much distance involved, you can help someone without getting that mixed up in their situation. In real life there's a chance you can get mixed up in something you don't want to be mixed up in.
So, whining and self pity on the internet is often a sign that someone needs something...not sure what. I don't think we should react cynically to someone who whines or self pities online.
I can think of one post I made to someone who self pitied over and over and I got to the point where I typed something along the lines of:
"it just doesn't work in your favor to chronically self depreciate."
Probably could have been more understanding.
I don't blame you for being extra cautious IRL. You have no idea how someone you recently met was raised. You aren't privy to what rationalizations are going on in their minds and you have to be really careful IRL.
Last edited by ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo on 04 Dec 2008, 2:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
It doesn't bother me "so much". I simply take issue with the idea that any schmoe in cyber-land can post something, call it an "article", not cite any references, sources or statistics and allow people to latch onto it like it's gospel. I take issue with it because I am a columnist held to a very high standard we call "truth and proof". With out the proof all you've got is opinion. And opinions, as they say are like butt-holes.
| Similar Topics | |
|---|---|
| Why are people questioning my ability to consent to sex? |
Today, 2:11 pm |
| Autism influencers on IG, X, TikTok, etc. |
04 Jul 2026, 10:21 pm |
