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05 Dec 2008, 7:00 pm

So the answer is that it's ok for females to throw dirt at the sexuality of males, to the extent of name calling, but males may not even be tempted to reply in kind?



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05 Dec 2008, 9:18 pm

Manslut? topic

In my day such men were called gigolos, tom cats, and don juans.

another term I never used but was in vogue was "whore master"

Another term is "beach master", but this refers to the single male elephant seal that has a whole group of lady seals he services. :lol:

Young people are really nasty. :evil:


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05 Dec 2008, 11:39 pm

Unfortunately no idea. Although I suppose a female would find it rude because they got pregnant because of a male -mind you, unless she was raped, it's still partly her fault.



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06 Dec 2008, 2:20 am

pandd wrote:
So the answer is that it's ok for females to throw dirt at the sexuality of males, to the extent of name calling, but males may not even be tempted to reply in kind?


I don't think that is the case at all; it's just rather imbalanced when women bear the responsibility of raising a child, whereas in much of society nowadays the male does walk with minimal responsibility. That's not to knock on either gender; there are exceptions and those who are outliers on both sides. But I find the sort of insult described distasteful.


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06 Dec 2008, 7:26 am

I find it difficult to believe the back-biting gossip session by schoolkids during study period, is all that likely to have been heavily influenced by some deeper and wider philosophical view about the socio-politico/economic standing of the antagonist who after all was the first (and only) to shout slut.

A couple of kids had an argument, one went 'there', the other was tempted to, but refrained from doing so. And the gossips in study period questioned the appropriateness, not of the antagonist, but of the person who controlled the temptation to retaliate.

I find the various attempts by various posters to dress up the reaction of the gossiping kids in terms of everything from it was inappropriate to be gossiping in the first place (well maybe to someone not participating, but obviously that's not what shocked those who were themselves happily doing it), through to an application of sophisticated ideas about the intersection of socio-economic factors and biology, particularly in terms of reproduction, resulting in objections motivated by concerns for social justice, something of a stretch.

The question refers to what the participants found inappropriate. Obviously calling names and making derogatory comments about each other's sexuality is not appropriate behavior by many peoples' standards. But in the context, there was no general dismay about, or apparent concern for either of these things, because the participants in the discussion did not react this way to someone being called slut; it was the temptation of to retaliate in kind (after being called a slut) they seemed to have had an issue with.



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06 Dec 2008, 9:23 am

Pithlet wrote:
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But sometimes I think what some consider rude ain't that rude (not saying that about this.) Like asking an adult their age.


I've never understood why this is rude either. In the old days, it was especially rude to ask a woman her age, why, I don't know. Perhaps women were supposed to look like they're 20 and everyone was supposed to keep up the illusion? Who knows. I've always considered it idiotic. I think nowadays, the rude thing to ask a woman about is her weight. We haven't progressed much as a species, have we? :wink:

Anyway, I am an adult (at least according to my birth certificate) and I never mind when people ask my age. On the contrary, I generally announce it, especially on my birthday. But I'm weird.


I never understood why weight or age is such a sensitive topic either. IMO, knowing the number isn't going to change the way the person looks or how others percieve them. If someone guesses my weight to be 10 lbs lighter than it really is, telling them the truth isn't going to make me look any heavier to them, unless they're stupid.


The issue of weight is a sensitive topic, because there are many advocates claiming that loosing weight means you will be healthier. It is a broad statement that does not account for many people, people who are fat due to disease or medication, for one. People who simply can't loose weight cause their bodies are preset to be at a higher weight, without harming themselves. Yet everyday on TV and elsewhere people who are fat are harassed for not loosing weight, being told they lack will power, or that they must be stuffing themselves like pigs. So with all this prejudice, I'm sure you can imagine why it's a sensitive issue.



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06 Dec 2008, 9:28 am

Sounds like a weird flirtation ritual to me.



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06 Dec 2008, 11:54 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sounds like a weird flirtation ritual to me.


You mean like, this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiIh3JJs ... re=related

The idea of seeing what looks like a floating smiley just cracks me up. :lmao:



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06 Dec 2008, 1:31 pm

Well, I have to say that the only way what he said could be worse is ifthere's something we don't know about the girl's situation (such as the suggestion above that she might have been raped).

When I look at these social things, I tend not to look so deep. It's been my experience, or at least my interpretation, that what is appropriate or not is defined by the humans involved. So first, he was speaking to girls at the time, so they sided with the girl. This is not always the case, but frequently so especially in people who were so recently kids. Even NT teens are still pretty inexperienced and simple in a lot of ways. They don't like to believe it, but they are.

This all goes down to a common double standard which people like to think they are above. In the fight for equality of the sexes, the scales have tipped too far and it's considered more acceptable to insult and abuse men than women, so that a man dare not speak a sentence in some climates without having it checked by his lawyer first. I once mentioned this fact to another woman, one who is known for support of those who are treated unfairly, and she said she was glad. All I found out was that she was not in support of equality for all, but equality for all the people she thought deserved it. She also believes that voluntarily taking you husband's name when you marry is subscribing to the subjugation of women. She had some issues. She's entitled to think that of course. Trouble is, she thought I wasn't entitled to think otherwise. But never mind her.

There are too many factors to consider when deciding if something is inappropriate. That's why I don't talk much any more. A lot of things I'd think were okay have gotten me in an awful lot of trouble.


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07 Dec 2008, 10:03 am

The only reason I can think of for it being 'inappropriate' is that the other people knew something that he didn't - for instance, she had the baby because she'd been raped, or she'd been in what she thought was a stable relationship, but the baby's father suddenly walked out on her.

If she'd just got herself pregnant from a one-night stand, or two weeks into a really casual 'relationship', though - I don't see the problem. Fair comeback.