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timeisdead wrote:
Flismflop wrote:
Why am I not surprised?
People should know better than to think that an inherently bullying world of NTs would start being nice to them.
There should be a sticky thread on every forum here stating:
Rule #1: NEVER say the word "Asperger's" to anyone who hasn't studied it on an academic level. Never.
People should know better than to think that an inherently bullying world of NTs would start being nice to them.
There should be a sticky thread on every forum here stating:
Rule #1: NEVER say the word "Asperger's" to anyone who hasn't studied it on an academic level. Never.
Unless you are using it as a defense in a court of law.....
Of what charge?
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Flismflop wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
Flismflop wrote:
Why am I not surprised?
People should know better than to think that an inherently bullying world of NTs would start being nice to them.
There should be a sticky thread on every forum here stating:
Rule #1: NEVER say the word "Asperger's" to anyone who hasn't studied it on an academic level. Never.
People should know better than to think that an inherently bullying world of NTs would start being nice to them.
There should be a sticky thread on every forum here stating:
Rule #1: NEVER say the word "Asperger's" to anyone who hasn't studied it on an academic level. Never.
Unless you are using it as a defense in a court of law.....
Of what charge?
Rape for starters. Ever seen that stupid group on Facebook?
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Chimchar wrote:
Flismflop wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
Flismflop wrote:
Why am I not surprised?
People should know better than to think that an inherently bullying world of NTs would start being nice to them.
There should be a sticky thread on every forum here stating:
Rule #1: NEVER say the word "Asperger's" to anyone who hasn't studied it on an academic level. Never.
People should know better than to think that an inherently bullying world of NTs would start being nice to them.
There should be a sticky thread on every forum here stating:
Rule #1: NEVER say the word "Asperger's" to anyone who hasn't studied it on an academic level. Never.
Unless you are using it as a defense in a court of law.....
Of what charge?
Rape for starters. Ever seen that stupid group on Facebook?
No, I can never figure how to use Facebook. It seems like everything requires a login, unless I'm missing something. I saw some parody that a WP member made of something, but I never saw the group being parodied.
As for having to defend oneself against rape, I would think one would have to be charged with that first...
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hartzofspace wrote:
I've tried to explain the AS to people, whose inane responses were, "Oh. I get like that!' This also feels invalidating. So then, I have to say, are you "Like that" 24-7?"
Like a PT I went see. I was trying to explain AS to her, in order to ask for accommodation. I wanted to see if she could agree to treat me in a room with a closed door, and not out in the middle of the PT treatment room. When I mentioned my sensory issues, her first response was, "Oh, I get like that." I tried again to ask if we could have the treatment some where else. She blabbed about going to a game that weekend. I wondered how she could possibly say she understood what I meant, if she would go to something like a game, on purpose?
Like a PT I went see. I was trying to explain AS to her, in order to ask for accommodation. I wanted to see if she could agree to treat me in a room with a closed door, and not out in the middle of the PT treatment room. When I mentioned my sensory issues, her first response was, "Oh, I get like that." I tried again to ask if we could have the treatment some where else. She blabbed about going to a game that weekend. I wondered how she could possibly say she understood what I meant, if she would go to something like a game, on purpose?
That is seriously annoying. My psychiatrist gave me the "everyone gets like that" line once when I described my sensory issues to him. I pointed out to him that if everyone ended up dazed, in pain and having to concentrate to walk whenever they were around more than a few people, the world would change, people would be a lot less inclined to congregate in public places. That got through to him.
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Who_Am_I wrote:
hartzofspace wrote:
I've tried to explain the AS to people, whose inane responses were, "Oh. I get like that!' This also feels invalidating. So then, I have to say, are you "Like that" 24-7?"
Like a PT I went see. I was trying to explain AS to her, in order to ask for accommodation. I wanted to see if she could agree to treat me in a room with a closed door, and not out in the middle of the PT treatment room. When I mentioned my sensory issues, her first response was, "Oh, I get like that." I tried again to ask if we could have the treatment some where else. She blabbed about going to a game that weekend. I wondered how she could possibly say she understood what I meant, if she would go to something like a game, on purpose?
Like a PT I went see. I was trying to explain AS to her, in order to ask for accommodation. I wanted to see if she could agree to treat me in a room with a closed door, and not out in the middle of the PT treatment room. When I mentioned my sensory issues, her first response was, "Oh, I get like that." I tried again to ask if we could have the treatment some where else. She blabbed about going to a game that weekend. I wondered how she could possibly say she understood what I meant, if she would go to something like a game, on purpose?
That is seriously annoying. My psychiatrist gave me the "everyone gets like that" line once when I described my sensory issues to him. I pointed out to him that if everyone ended up dazed, in pain and having to concentrate to walk whenever they were around more than a few people, the world would change, people would be a lot less inclined to congregate in public places. That got through to him.
wow, you mean he actually listened? That's great! When I went for my first diagnoses attempt, the psychiatrist, after hearing my descriptions of how I was affected by crowds, noise, and pretty accurate descriptions of my synesthesia (which can be quite unpleasant) she said that I had PTSD, and not Asperger's! And then rudely looked at her watch when I tried to explain further. Thank God I found a psychologist who not only diagnosed me properly, but counseled me for two years!
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hartzofspace wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
hartzofspace wrote:
I've tried to explain the AS to people, whose inane responses were, "Oh. I get like that!' This also feels invalidating. So then, I have to say, are you "Like that" 24-7?"
Like a PT I went see. I was trying to explain AS to her, in order to ask for accommodation. I wanted to see if she could agree to treat me in a room with a closed door, and not out in the middle of the PT treatment room. When I mentioned my sensory issues, her first response was, "Oh, I get like that." I tried again to ask if we could have the treatment some where else. She blabbed about going to a game that weekend. I wondered how she could possibly say she understood what I meant, if she would go to something like a game, on purpose?
Like a PT I went see. I was trying to explain AS to her, in order to ask for accommodation. I wanted to see if she could agree to treat me in a room with a closed door, and not out in the middle of the PT treatment room. When I mentioned my sensory issues, her first response was, "Oh, I get like that." I tried again to ask if we could have the treatment some where else. She blabbed about going to a game that weekend. I wondered how she could possibly say she understood what I meant, if she would go to something like a game, on purpose?
That is seriously annoying. My psychiatrist gave me the "everyone gets like that" line once when I described my sensory issues to him. I pointed out to him that if everyone ended up dazed, in pain and having to concentrate to walk whenever they were around more than a few people, the world would change, people would be a lot less inclined to congregate in public places. That got through to him.
wow, you mean he actually listened? That's great! When I went for my first diagnoses attempt, the psychiatrist, after hearing my descriptions of how I was affected by crowds, noise, and pretty accurate descriptions of my synesthesia (which can be quite unpleasant) she said that I had PTSD, and not Asperger's! And then rudely looked at her watch when I tried to explain further. Thank God I found a psychologist who not only diagnosed me properly, but counseled me for two years!
Yes, he actually listened, and it was great. It took a couple of years to get him to listen properly to anything I said, though, and not dismiss it as just the result of anxiety.
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Plagal cadence: IV-I
Deceptive cadence: V- ANYTHING BUT I ! !! !
Beethoven cadence: V-I-V-I-V-V-V-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I! I! I! I I I
Haliphron wrote:
I HAVE noticed that people are happy to call you "weird" and "creepy" as an insult to make you feel self-conscious and excluded; but if you acknowledge that you're abnormal and use such words to describe yourself as though being "weird"/"freaky"/"a bit odd" is something Positive, the same people who would use such descriptors to insult you try to invalidate you by saying "nah, you're just a typical _____". Stupid humans........ 
I've noticed that. They take a positive delight in telling you how 'weird' you are, but if you present a medical reason for it, they deny there's anything wrong. My theory behind it is that if they were forced to admit there was a reason for you being the way you are and it wasn't just 'all your own fault', they might actually start to feel bad about treating you the way they do.
Haliphron wrote:
Ive noticed that its very trendy both online and IRL these days for NTs to actively deny asperger syndrome as a legit mental condition and to express cynicism towards those who are open about being Aspies. Seriously,,,,,WTF!! !
For example, I remember describing some of my issues to an NT about 6 years ago and I ended the setence with "because Im different" and he replied with "everybody's different!". I really dont f_cking understand what thats supposed to imply and why he said that. I HAVE noticed that people are happy to call you "weird" and "creepy" as an insult to make you feel self-conscious and excluded; but if you acknowledge that you're abnormal and use such words to describe yourself as though being "weird"/"freaky"/"a bit odd" is something Positive, the same people who would use such descriptors to insult you try to invalidate you by saying "nah, you're just a typical _____". Stupid humans........
For example, I remember describing some of my issues to an NT about 6 years ago and I ended the setence with "because Im different" and he replied with "everybody's different!". I really dont f_cking understand what thats supposed to imply and why he said that. I HAVE noticed that people are happy to call you "weird" and "creepy" as an insult to make you feel self-conscious and excluded; but if you acknowledge that you're abnormal and use such words to describe yourself as though being "weird"/"freaky"/"a bit odd" is something Positive, the same people who would use such descriptors to insult you try to invalidate you by saying "nah, you're just a typical _____". Stupid humans........
You get these insulting responses from people who struggle with their own issues and work hard to overcome them. Everyone has problems, including personal problems trying to be what they want to be. How to fully realize yourself as a person, both individually and in the world, is a question that a lot of people work hard at all their lives (in one way or another through school, work, church, etc.). Some people have an attitude problem about people who have personal problems, these people label people who have difficulty as being "losers", etc. Their attitude problem toward personal problems is due to their own sense of living in an unfair world and failing to be what they want to be. Your talk triggers their own sense of inadequacy and reminds them that they don't an excuse for why they are "losers" or feel like failures in some aspect of their life. So you trigger a sore point with them, personally, due to their own sense of inadequacy in some area.
Maybe, on a Freudian level, that person is trying to say, "I'm different, too, and I can't fix this thing that is bothering me. I wish I had some explanation or support system on how to overcome my <issue> so that I could be happier in life."
If someone gets insulting, saying people who claim to be Asperger are just trying to come up with some excuse for why they are weird losers, that's a personal attack on you, tho. A good response to that is that, "A good way to understand Asperger syndrome is that normal people who have our traits have them because they are what you think of as "weird" "losers". Asperger people have our traits because we are wired to have them."
Hovis wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
I HAVE noticed that people are happy to call you "weird" and "creepy" as an insult to make you feel self-conscious and excluded; but if you acknowledge that you're abnormal and use such words to describe yourself as though being "weird"/"freaky"/"a bit odd" is something Positive, the same people who would use such descriptors to insult you try to invalidate you by saying "nah, you're just a typical _____". Stupid humans........ 
I've noticed that. They take a positive delight in telling you how 'weird' you are, but if you present a medical reason for it, they deny there's anything wrong. My theory behind it is that if they were forced to admit there was a reason for you being the way you are and it wasn't just 'all your own fault', they might actually start to feel bad about treating you the way they do.
Thank you for explaining this. This is one of the things that has been really bothering me lately; actually, that was partly why I started the thread "do people minimize your problems?", because I have this same experience!. People have no qualms about telling me what´s "wrong with me", or that I need to be more social, or that I am "uptight" when I have sensory problems; then, when I try to tell them why, they say that I´m "normal" and "everyone is like that". Aaarrrggghhh! At least, it´s a relief to me that others on WP have similar experiences, I don´t feel so alone now.
Thanks for starting this thread...it was good reading.
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Morgana wrote:
People have no qualms about telling me what´s "wrong with me", or that I need to be more social, or that I am "uptight" when I have sensory problems; then, when I try to tell them why, they say that I´m "normal" and "everyone is like that". Aaarrrggghhh!
They want to believe that you're choosing to be that way; just not trying hard enough, and that if you really wanted to, you could act perfectly normally... but that you deliberately don't and are just being awkward/selfish/lazy. None of them like the idea of having to face up to the fact that they've been giving someone a hard time about their behavior who can't act 'normally' any more than a person with permanent mobility problems can get up and walk. Harrassing/bullying a disabled person is a huge social faux pas; doing the same to someone whose perceived problems are 'all their own fault' is far more acceptable.
Haliphron wrote:
Ive noticed that its very trendy both online and IRL these days for NTs to actively deny asperger syndrome as a legit mental condition and to express cynicism towards those who are open about being Aspies. Seriously,,,,,WTF!! !
For example, I remember describing some of my issues to an NT about 6 years ago and I ended the setence with "because Im different" and he replied with "everybody's different!". I really dont f_cking understand what thats supposed to imply and why he said that. I HAVE noticed that people are happy to call you "weird" and "creepy" as an insult to make you feel self-conscious and excluded; but if you acknowledge that you're abnormal and use such words to describe yourself as though being "weird"/"freaky"/"a bit odd" is something Positive, the same people who would use such descriptors to insult you try to invalidate you by saying "nah, you're just a typical _____". Stupid humans........
For example, I remember describing some of my issues to an NT about 6 years ago and I ended the setence with "because Im different" and he replied with "everybody's different!". I really dont f_cking understand what thats supposed to imply and why he said that. I HAVE noticed that people are happy to call you "weird" and "creepy" as an insult to make you feel self-conscious and excluded; but if you acknowledge that you're abnormal and use such words to describe yourself as though being "weird"/"freaky"/"a bit odd" is something Positive, the same people who would use such descriptors to insult you try to invalidate you by saying "nah, you're just a typical _____". Stupid humans........
Makes me want to talk down to that guy like he's 3, well as he's behaving like he's 3. Say something like, (obnoxiously saccharin voice) "Yes everyone is different! Oh did you learn that from Sesame Street today? Did you? What a good boy!" It works better if you're female, cause I think appropriating the saccharin sweet voice is easier. Like, you know this jerk is acting like a proud tot, that he knows everyone is different. I guess that's some NTs arrogance showing through, they never got past the stage where mommy and daddy applauded them for everything. They now expect the world to do that too.
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Shiggily wrote:
my husband is iffy on AS
we are very alike so he thinks that it is just personality.
But when you dig, there seems to be a fundamental difference in the way we evaluate and process information that goes beyond mere personality.
we are very alike so he thinks that it is just personality.
But when you dig, there seems to be a fundamental difference in the way we evaluate and process information that goes beyond mere personality.
My last husband and I had some clear differences but then we were very compatible. He had AS, and some of his symptoms were more clear than mine, like toe-walking, sing-song speech, not being able to touch soft things... But I seemed to have more of the cognitive issues, like getting lost, having verbal issues, being unable to track time, etc. So we both had AS but were different.
My current husband and I have a lot in common although he does not have AS. He has a sensory integration dysfunction and is manic depressive -- creative and up-and-down all the time.
Both of these men, although their having symptoms that would affect them, are very successful engineers. No one challenges or harasses them in the workplace. My Asperger symptoms are constantly under a microscope. And I keep running into sexual harassment.
So my husbands' "problems" weren't really "problems" in a debilitating sense. Mine are, because of situational factors not having to do with my symptoms.
A difference between my AS ex-husband is that he didn't mind giving me space and my being preoccupied. My NT husband feels starved for attention. He says he gets jealous of my computer.
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What is a "neckbeard"?.
1. Facial hair that does not exist on the face, but instead on the neck. Almost never well groomed.
2. Derogatory term for slovenly nerdy people who have no sense of hygene or grooming. Often related to hobbies such as card gaming, video gaming, anime, et. al.
3. Kyle Orton's alter ego, backup quarterback for the Chicago Bears. Kyle Orton takes the snaps, but Neckbeard throws the touchdowns



