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What would you conclude if someone reassured you that it's ok to have average intelligence?
S/he is trying to devaluate my ego 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
S/he is teasing me 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
S/he thinks I have avg intelligence, and wants me to know it's ok to have avg intelligence 48%  48%  [ 19 ]
S/he is just voicing an honest opinion, and is not implying anything about my level of intelligence 40%  40%  [ 16 ]
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07 Dec 2008, 10:42 pm

ford_prefects_kid wrote:
Well, you used the verb "reassured" which sort of already colors the situation with your interpretation of what she was trying to do.


Good call :)


reassure

re·as·sure [rə shr]
vt
1. put somebody’s mind at ease: to make a person feel less anxious or worried



From my point of view it seemed that she told me what she told me in a rather reassuring manner. Yes, I believe that she reassured me that it's ok to have average intelligence. What was she actually trying to say? I don't know.



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07 Dec 2008, 10:50 pm

there is not enough information to make a rational conclusion.

I would need to know more about your responses before her comments, which you did not include.

you have not received an intelligence test so you might have an average intelligence, but believe you have an above average intelligence and compensate for that and she is trying to get you to be happy being not as smart as you think you are, and to make you not worry about being seen as smart.

she could have felt that you look down on people with average intelligence and she wanted to tell you that it is ok for people to have an average intelligence.

She could be talking about herself.

you could be misreading her

she could be misreading you

you could be jumping to conclusions

she could be jumping to conclusions


What I am saying is that any number of possible reasons could be attributed to the remarks and I am not sure you can be sure you are evaluating the situation, her intentions, and her communication correctly.



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07 Dec 2008, 11:27 pm

Shiggily wrote:
there is not enough information to make a rational conclusion.

I would need to know more about your responses before her comments, which you did not include.


That's true, but unfortunately I don't remember the entire conversation, only the more distressing parts of it.

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you have not received an intelligence test so you might have an average intelligence,


I might have average intelligence, but would you want to waste your time working with a person who thinks she can tell a person's level of intelligence just by looking at them or talking to them for a few minutes? Aspies, who often have above average intelligence, get taken for idiots all the time.

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but believe you have an above average intelligence and compensate for that and she is trying to get you to be happy being not as smart as you think you are, and to make you not worry about being seen as smart.


I was an honors student in high school and college and breezed through college courses (mainly computer science and math courses) that people of average intelligence often find mind-boggling. Additionally, I have been recognized as being intelligent by peers, teachers and family members. While I believe that I have above average intelligence, I am aware of the fact that I am not a genius, which is ok with me.

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she could have felt that you look down on people with average intelligence and she wanted to tell you that it is ok for people to have an average intelligence.


Suppositions.

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She could be talking about herself.


I doubt that an Ivy League educated psychologist believes that she has average intelligence. Either that or the diploma on her wall was a forgery.

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you could be misreading her


I am reporting what that woman told me.

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she could be misreading you


Most likely.

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you could be jumping to conclusions


What conclusions? I am still trying to figure out what that woman meant to say.

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she could be jumping to conclusions


I agree.


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What I am saying is that any number of possible reasons could be attributed to the remarks and I am not sure you can be sure you are evaluating the situation, her intentions, and her communication correctly.


You were not there, you don't know how the rest of the meeting went.



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08 Dec 2008, 1:23 am

Mw99 wrote:

You were not there, you don't know how the rest of the meeting went.


since you have not offered the remainder of the meeting I must presume that you consider it irrelevant. Otherwise you would include it.



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08 Dec 2008, 3:05 am

You seem to be making assumptions that she was making assumptions. Of course that's just an assumption. :)

But whatever she may have assumed, assuming she assumed anything, she right about looking for contentment in things other than being extraordinary (regardless of if you are). It's great to place high value on intelligence, I would certainly never suggest that people shouldn't be trying reach their mental potential. However, (now I'm probably going to be tarred and feathered for saying this here) sometimes that value can border on obsession with some people, especially people who were frequently told they were special as children. Usually they are either already outsiders, or they become outsiders when they have been set apart by that knowlege that they are better in some ways. It may be true that they are gifted, but emphasising their innate qualities leads to the inevitable and for them devastating reality that they can make mistakes, or that something new may be harder for them than they are used to. If they are used to being the best at everything, and suddenly realise they are not, a person with a gifted mind set rather than a growing mind set is more likely to become bitter or even give up on themselves. Telling kids that they are superior puts an insane amount of pressure on them to protect that identity, especially if for whatever reason that's the only value they can get from living.

Now I'm not saying that's you. You talk more about achievements you've had to work hard for, rather than innate ability, and that's good. That shows you value a growing mindset that takes work to improve, rather than developing the egotisical expectation that you should automatically be better just because you were smart to begin with. But she may also have sensed something about you that I sense from the threads you make. That you may still have the same unhealthy attachment to being superior that those prodigies often have. It's unhealthy because it interferes with their finding joy in life when that becomes the most important aspect of their identity. It's irrelevant whether or not you are mentally superior, it's still unhealthy to dwell on it the level that you do. Perhaps the question you should be asking is why you feel this is so important to be accepting of yourself. And especially why are you so frantic to prove it to others? Would that really bring you the satisfaction that you seek?



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08 Dec 2008, 9:11 am

If someone tried to reassure me that it's okay to have average intelligence I would do the following:

a) assume she thinks I have average intelligence (yes, I do tend to personalize things)
b) realize that she is someone who cannot see me clearly (I've had that experience enough that it doesn't alarm me anymore)
c) figure she's talking about her own issues rather than mine

Generally, when people tell me something that seems to imply partial knowledge of who I am, I take it with a grain of salt. After all, it's just their experience of me. It's not *me*.



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08 Dec 2008, 9:44 am

Mw99 wrote:
BTW, this question is inspired by a meeting I had with a psychologist over 6 years ago. The psychologist nodded her head and reassured me in a very self-assured manner that it is ok to have average intelligence. I felt that she implied that I have average intelligence, which I found very insulting considering that at the time I was an honors student and also considering the fact that the psychologist never gave me an intelligence test.


Let's parse this anecdote. Firstly, the psychologist "reassured" you that you have average intelligence, so it has to be assumed that intelligence was a topic that was already raised. By you?

The psychologist said, in a "very self-assured manner" that it is okay to have average intelligence. Well, this is a valid opinion, so there's every reason why she should be self-assured. Whereas your putting that "very self-assured manner" in there seems to highlight that you question her confidence in making this statement. I.e. that you don't agree with her (that it's okay to have average intelligence).

Moreover, you are insulted by the fact that her statement IMPLIED that you might have average intelligence. To become insulted by an implication of a true statement that doesn't necessarily apply to you means that you are being hypervigilant in your intelligence rating.

To me, this sounds like (1) you don't think it's okay to have average intelligence, (2) you resent any implication that it's okay to have average intelligence, and (3) you are insulted by an implication that leaves the door open to the possibility that YOU might have average intelligence.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:28 pm

Pithlet wrote:
You seem to be making assumptions that she was making assumptions. Of course that's just an assumption. :)

But whatever she may have assumed, assuming she assumed anything, she right about looking for contentment in things other than being extraordinary (regardless of if you are). It's great to place high value on intelligence, I would certainly never suggest that people shouldn't be trying reach their mental potential. However, (now I'm probably going to be tarred and feathered for saying this here) sometimes that value can border on obsession with some people, especially people who were frequently told they were special as children. Usually they are either already outsiders, or they become outsiders when they have been set apart by that knowlege that they are better in some ways. It may be true that they are gifted, but emphasising their innate qualities leads to the inevitable and for them devastating reality that they can make mistakes, or that something new may be harder for them than they are used to. If they are used to being the best at everything, and suddenly realise they are not, a person with a gifted mind set rather than a growing mind set is more likely to become bitter or even give up on themselves. Telling kids that they are superior puts an insane amount of pressure on them to protect that identity, especially if for whatever reason that's the only value they can get from living.

Now I'm not saying that's you. You talk more about achievements you've had to work hard for, rather than innate ability, and that's good. That shows you value a growing mindset that takes work to improve, rather than developing the egotisical expectation that you should automatically be better just because you were smart to begin with. But she may also have sensed something about you that I sense from the threads you make. That you may still have the same unhealthy attachment to being superior that those prodigies often have. It's unhealthy because it interferes with their finding joy in life when that becomes the most important aspect of their identity. It's irrelevant whether or not you are mentally superior, it's still unhealthy to dwell on it the level that you do. Perhaps the question you should be asking is why you feel this is so important to be accepting of yourself. And especially why are you so frantic to prove it to others? Would that really bring you the satisfaction that you seek?


Wonderful message.

The answer to your last question is, yes, it would bring me the satisfaction that I seek.

Been there, done that.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:33 pm

Clearly, Mw99- your are having issues with perceived inteligence and your own ego is taking a beating for it.
This is a pointless poll because you refute every valid post while asserting your own conclusion.

But then I'm about as dumb as they get and you smart folks have it so hard when people don't believe your brilliance.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:42 pm

ephemerella wrote:
Let's parse this anecdote. Firstly, the psychologist "reassured" you that you have average intelligence, so it has to be assumed that intelligence was a topic that was already raised. By you?


If I recall correctly, I might have previously but not necessarily immediately before said something along the lines of there being no point in doing X since doing X isn't going to increase my level of intelligence since my level of intelligence is what it is. I don't remember very well the exact flow of the conversation.

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The psychologist said, in a "very self-assured manner" that it is okay to have average intelligence. Well, this is a valid opinion, so there's every reason why she should be self-assured. Whereas your putting that "very self-assured manner" in there seems to highlight that you question her confidence in making this statement. I.e. that you don't agree with her (that it's okay to have average intelligence).


My problem is that the confidence that the psychologist displayed while she made that statement seemed contrived. Her statement seemed more like an opportune comeback rather than an honest opinion. There also seemed to be a hint of insincerity in her voice.

But, who knows, I could have read her wrong.

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Moreover, you are insulted by the fact that her statement IMPLIED that you might have average intelligence. To become insulted by an implication of a true statement that doesn't necessarily apply to you means that you are being hypervigilant in your intelligence rating.


My problem is with the way she said it.

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To me, this sounds like (1) you don't think it's okay to have average intelligence,


It's ok if you don't mind being mediocre. (average = mediocre)

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(2) you resent any implication that it's okay to have average intelligence,


I resent any implication that I have average intelligence. Give me an IQ test and then we will discuss my intelligence.

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and (3) you are insulted by an implication that leaves the door open to the possibility that YOU might have average intelligence.


Correct.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:50 pm

RE: (your above post)

So there was something in her manner that bothered you. That's a read that you are probably accurate in b/c you felt it strongly.

Maybe she surmised that it would insult you, and was doing it anyways to test your reaction!

At any rate, from what you said about your academic performance in school & college (including the science & math), that is much more revealing than an IQ test when it comes to intelligence. Especially if you are AS, because it's harder to perform due to other issues being a drag on performance. It's not easy for AS people to excel at Math unless they are high IQ.

Maybe it was a test where she was querying your confidence in the matter, and observing your response. Hope you shrugged it off.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:53 pm

well at least we now know: Mw99 is an IQ elitist.
:?



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09 Dec 2008, 12:09 am

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
well at least we now know: Mw99 is an IQ elitist.
:?


I would be an IQ elitist if I were a genius.



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09 Dec 2008, 12:13 am

Mw99 wrote:
I would be an IQ elitist if I were a genius.


Yeah- go with that...



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09 Dec 2008, 4:29 am

Mw99 wrote:
...what would you conclude?


BTW, this question is inspired by a meeting I had with a psychologist over 6 years ago. The psychologist nodded her head and reassured me in a very self-assured manner that it is ok to have average intelligence. I felt that she implied that I have average intelligence, which I found very insulting considering that at the time I was an honors student and also considering the fact that the psychologist never gave me an intelligence test.


Don't try and analyze what a shrink says. Most of them seem to be to NTs as NTs are to us. Unless you can trust what they say at surface value, it isn't worth the hassle or your money.



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09 Dec 2008, 11:26 am

Yer average aspie here topic

OK by me. :P


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