I detest Christmas.....

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I love christmas. I don't care about how Commercial it is. I always spend it with the family, around the table, eating christmas lunch. Then settleing down later on to watch Doctor Who and Eastender christmas Specials.
I love the lights, and decorating the tree. It's all so brilliant!

Although, I'm not excited this year, which is good. (I hate being excited.)

With out the gifts it would be forgotten by the masses. Also don't forget that the whole point is the gifts are given as a symbol of kindness etc.

*nods*

For me it also has to do a lot with believing that there is more to our world than what we can see with our eyes.

But yeah even if you aren't a Christian you still have to appreciate the fact that one man has impacted so many people's lives over the past 2000 years. I can't think of a single other person that could claim to have had an effect on as many people.

Couldn't agree more! I'm looking forward to the new Doctor Who episode, I wanna see The Doctor's daughter in the new series!

And what of Valentines, Mother's Day, Father's Day or Easter. All of these holidays generate billions in retail sales with commercials, advertising in print and radio. These are just as commercial, I think.

I never said they weren't. But Christmas is the biggest holiday of all of them.

I do dread going to my husband's family's house on the Cape for X-mas. They don't like me.

They think I'm difficult and don't like them because

I don't want to eat their food
I don't talk to them
I surf the internet or go out on my own instead of chat with them
I talk about things that their women don't talk about
When I do talk about things that their women talk about, I talk weird

Last time I went to the Cape, I thought we would all hit it off b/c I was in the midst of a cooking special interest phase. I was cooking my ass off and thought that I would finally have something to talk about the women with (before they never wanted to talk about engineering, stock market, politics, exercise, diet, fly fishing, economics... ).

What did I discover? All my cooking talk was offensive. They don't like real leaves in their food so they were repulsed at the fresh rosemary I picked off the rosemary bush outside and braised my Tuscan chicken with. Meanwhile, I'm trying to find some way to choke down mucilaginous, overcooked squash blanketed with Pepperidge Farm stuffing mix and someone's latest rendition of a Cheez-Whiz topped rice bake. We catch fresh sea bass, a gourmet item, but I have to cook it with artificial lemon juice, dried spices and neo-non-butter and it tastes like crap.

I was an offensive cook because I was supposed to be cooking with pre-packaged food stuff that had "Kraft" or "Heinz" or "Campbell's" on the label.

Any other kind of cooking is pretentious, self-indulgent excess. I.e. any healthy cooking that actually tastes delicious. Better to eat ourselves to death by choking down the old American kill-ourselves-with-our-forks diet rather than look like a pretentious foodie.

And forget the idea of actually trying to have a seafood meal while on the trip to Cape Cod! You have to do the old Campbell's Mushroom Soup Pot Roast for people who travel 400 miles to come to the Cape to visit!

The food thing was a whole disaster. Now, I'm back to having nothing to talk to the women about (avoiding food topics carefully now...).

I can't eat their unhealthy, processed, tasteless food!

I do think about Jesus. This time of year was previously pagan. Worth thinking on their regard to food and survival.

I never watch tv. Its too slow and trashy. very few films 'hold' me. A time to read, study, out with dog into the landscape.

Wow - ephemerella - luv it! Engineering, fly fishing - if only you knew!

Anemone - PRECISELY!! !

Okay, it's almost Christmas, I'm grumpy as hell, and I can't wait till it's over and the planet reverts to being just the Wrong Planet rather the Very Very Wrong Planet in Which I Can Find No Peace Because Christmas is in My Face Constantly.

So, actually, I don't have to appreciate the impact of Jesus at all. Not my religion, not my culture, not my interest. Of course, I'll appreciate the positive if you can appreciate the impact of the negative. Christmas and Easter in the old country were hell for Jews; it's when the priests whipped up the people in churches all over Europe to go out and assault, rob, rape, and murder their Jewish neighbors. And my appreciation of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the pogroms doesn't exactly put me in a cheery mood. Of course, this isn't Jesus' fault; he was a religious Jew and crucified along with thousands of other Jews who did just what he did--preach Judaism and defy Rome. But this is part of the impact of what the church did with this one man's life. Let's not sugar coat it, even if it is Christmas.



Kirska, a little perspective, really. It's a big world out there. I can think of several other people who had an even greater impact on the lives of many people: Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebekah, Jacob, Rachel, and Leah, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, the prophets. Where do you think Jesus got his understanding of the one God who loves us all unconditionally? Without the Jews who were his ancestors and mine, the world would be a very different place.

And let's not forget about the Buddha, Muhammed, and the people who invented vaccines and cures for disease that have kept people from dying by the millions. They've had a substantial impact on the lives of millions upon millions of people as well.

^^ if anyone needs a little Christmas cheer....

So tell me: Are they wrong?

I express how I feel, as a Jew and a minority person, and all you can do is suggest that I'm raining on your parade? I talk about the experience of my people, and provide an historical perspective, and all you can do is make an in-joke?

Wow. I had the impression that Jesus faced the brutal realities of life with compassion and understanding, and that his followers were supposed to follow his example.

Another illusion shattered.

I never asked for good cheer, I just want to be left alone but everybody wants to drop by unexpedily or wants me to go hang out at their place. Christmas is nothing more than a socialy accepted hostage situation.

Keep in mind that Christ-Mass was an ancient holiday (Hallowed Day) since it was (is) the winter solstice, the turning point for the sun where it appears to stand still for one or two days. This was a celebration for the year that was coming into being and signified a new beginning for everybody. This was the original New Years celebration for thousands of years before the christian era.

Lighten up for f cks-sake and get over yourself, mary.
You, to, neshie.
People who feel the need to piss all over Christmas should get off the f ckin 'puter.

Are you a troll or something? The orginal idea for this post was asking why people hate Christmas.