Autism is not socially appropriate, but AD(H)D is? Why?

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DwightF
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24 Dec 2008, 12:05 pm

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ADHD individuals have an advantage in this area, because they are more likely to raise their hand to ask questions if they need clarification.

What is this "raise hand" thing you speak of? :D I have to watch myself in classes because I tend to turn lectures into a two person conversation, and I'm one of the people. So at times I force myself to step back otherwise I'll dominate the class. EDIT: That includes dominating the instructor, I suck them right in with my mind powers. :twisted:


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24 Dec 2008, 12:09 pm

I didn't raise hands, I just blurted the question, answer, or whatever else, out. I was impulsive.



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24 Dec 2008, 12:12 pm

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It would probably be easier giving an official diagnosis of ADHD alongside a PDD IF you have ADHD. If you can write it all down officially, it's easier to convey in paper rather than peoples assumptions.

ADD/ADHD is a common family "treasure" in this clan. I imagine that would make a difference in considering a co-morbid diagnosis. I don't recall the DSM-IV specifically proscribing there being a PDD + ADHD diagnosis but it is a lot tougher to get a dual diagnosis is my understanding.

P.S. Because of how medication appears to be sorting out, it wouldn't surprise me if there is more rigid and varied sorting of the spectrum in the future.


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24 Dec 2008, 12:21 pm

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I didn't raise hands, I just blurted the question, answer, or whatever else, out. I was impulsive.

I didn't blurt out answers (I don't recall ever doing that, even when young). My son does though, he's still working on basic "turn taking" in real social settings. That's the difference. I dominated from more inside the social rule set, and because I was multi-tasking working out the consequences of what the instructor was teaching while listening (and often reading a book on some other unrelated topic at the same time) I had questions that were pertinent. Being so outgoing is an odd thing for an introvert to do but that's just a consequence of being driven by the world moving too slow.


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24 Dec 2008, 12:46 pm

Because people with AS are weird, annoying, and uncomfortable to be around.

Time to make an effort to change folks.



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24 Dec 2008, 12:51 pm

Because ASD is commonly associated with intellectual disability. And the knowledge of autism in majority of population boils down only to the most severe cases they saw in movies.



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24 Dec 2008, 1:39 pm

I would add, though, that some AD/HD people do experience misunderstandings from their behavior and the label. The girl I'm working with to establish a campus network for students with disabilities has severe AD/HD in addition to other learning disabilities, and has experienced some degree of stigma and lack of understanding from others. A lot of people have been either patronizing towards her or dismissive of the challenges she faces. While AD/HD is certainly more accepted and understood than ASDs, I'm not sure I'd call it "socially acceptable." In certain contexts, it isn't.


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24 Dec 2008, 2:16 pm

ADHD is very common because it's used a lot by doctors and it was a label doctors placed on kids in the 1990's. I heard it was over diagnosed so the ones who outgrew it when they became adults makes me wonder if they never actually had it at all. So society is used to that condition.


But AS is still new so I don't think society is used to it yet. Maybe someday it will be accepted just like ADHD.


Just my guess.



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24 Dec 2008, 2:40 pm

KevinLA wrote:
Because people with AS are weird, annoying, and uncomfortable to be around.


All those are relative terms. What is weird to one person is normal to another. I get annoyed very easily and this is inner anxiety and doesn't have anything to do with anyone else. When I get frustrated I blame others but is it their fault? Or, am I making a mistake, an err in judgment.
When I am particularly irritated I blame others but it isn't fair, I guess.
Maybe it's not the person who is annoying, it's your perception tinged with aggravation?



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24 Dec 2008, 2:50 pm

There are factions that believe both AD(H)D and AS are conditions made up by the psychiatric industry. These people believe our "conditions" would just dissappear if we would just behave ourselves. :roll:
But, I do think the general public is much more aware of AD(H)D than AS or high functioning autism. Even though there are many misunderstandings about both conditions.
Personally speaking, my mom was very supportive of my brother, who has ADHD. As for my autism, that was a constant source of denial & ridicule from her.


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24 Dec 2008, 4:10 pm

What Daniel wrote may well have some truth in it, the general public think that ADHD is not quite so bad as autism or AS because they think that inside a person with ADHD is a person much like them but the autist (Classic or Aspergers) is some lifeform which is different to them. I have no idea quite what they expect this "alien lifeform" to be like, but while I hate to upset people I have to tell them that we are humans.

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Autism is still scary to people. ADHD to your common person just means that the child is hyperactive, inattentive, constantly fidgets and is a boisterous type of person (nothing a parent or teacher can't handle). Now, Autism means that the child will probably end up living with their parents for most of their life (this scares people), that the person with Autism is quite often oppositional, and always oblivious to social norms and how all of the "good old people" should behave; this person with Autism is so different in behaviour that it literally frightens, or even repulses people.


Also about lectures, I have been trained to give lectures and I always say that boring lectures which make people switch off oftein say something about the person giving the talk. I hold the view that undergrad students, graduates, people with PhDs as well as the rest of the population have a short attention span. If you talk for more than five minutes non stop on any topic keeping the same boring tone of voice, then you are likely to lose the attention of the people. What skilled public speakers do is to win the attention of the people and constantly keep working to maintain their attention.


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24 Dec 2008, 4:17 pm

When people can't relate they often reject. People don't usually want to understand reality. It scares them. Hence the popularity of organized religion. Everyone wants to be a part of something bigger, more than themselves. Some just take the easy route. You can't fault them for being born typical anymore than they should us. True understanding isn't at the top of everyones list.



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24 Dec 2008, 5:16 pm

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People don't usually want to understand reality. It scares them. Hence the popularity of organized religion.

Umm back up the Opposite Bus, please. Religion provides answers (whatever you happen to think of particular ones). It's a dearth of solid answers to the "big" questions that scares the crap out of people. People generally want to understand reality ... and over there are a number of organized [and unorganized] religions selling Answers(tm) to reality. A selection is great, isn't it?

Yes people usually come out of religion what they went in looking for or what was somewhat in the nature to start with. Even from the same document, or collection of documents, like the Bible you have people taking away very different things. They want an understanding of reality that they can understand, that they can relate to and make sense of. They reject what doesn't compute for them. That might be what you intended to say, and it fits with the rest of your post, but it certainly is NOT what you said.


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24 Dec 2008, 6:46 pm

My emphasis was on ORGANIZED religion. I don't have a problem with people seeking answers through their faith. Just slavery.

Instead of truly seeking answers (that they will probably never find) most people settle for status quo answers that appeal to them to help them sleep at night. I will go to heaven when I die, etc.



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24 Dec 2008, 7:31 pm

in australia add/addhad isn't acceptable at all. it is more common.....but acceptable? i don;t think that is the case here.
there is more media coverage of it perhaps - so there is more awareness, but i have heard people saying terrible stuff about kids with ADD/ADHD.



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24 Dec 2008, 8:00 pm

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Whenever people mention 'I have AD(H)D' it's fine and accepted for those who listen. But they usually don't bother with that this person might be different and has special needs either.

People even outright say that AD(H)D is 'normal'.

But when AS (least any other type of ASD) is mentioned, people are turned off. Either they project special needs onto an autistic person that are not real or they treat them as if they were a diseased or crazy sort of type. And if a person's liked or appears somewhat typical, people treat a person as if AS is 'way too serious' for them to have.

And while you can say you have AD(H)D and most won't even react to that fact, if you just mention that you have traits of AS, people start to freak. Same with parents. If one says they have a kid with AD(H)D, most people have no idea of the basic problems that a kid with ADHD can have. But when a parent says they have a kid with autism, many are going to make a fuss.

If that doesn't show that wide parts of society have little knowledge of both disorders, then I don't know.


People now say that up to 30% of people diagnosed with ADHD have ASD!! !! !! ! ALSO, they now say people with ADHD have benefits that are symptoms of AS! GO FIGURE!