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Well I wish I had an IQ as high as LabPet, mine is high but she is smarter than me if you judge it with IQ tests. But I do not think it makes much difference to the AS / NT question for me.



I can get on with people to some degree, it does not mean I do not have AS. What I know I have trouble with some fine details sometimes.



I think that no two wrong planet citizens have had exactly the same life experiences. Bear in mind that AS, LFA, HFA or even NT does not mean the path you will take through life is fixed at birth. While you might be able to calculate how tall and how heavy the average HFA man will be, I am sure that you will have great difficulty in finding a HFA man with the average height and weight.



How well are you able to judge this, and compared with what.



How well are you able to judge this, and compared with what.


Since when was this required as an article of faith when you join WP ?

yeah, i wondered about you NQ. you don't quite fit the picture. is it possibly NVLD, some people here aren't really AS but the fit is fairly good and they like it here, they tend to be NVLD non verbal learning disorder.

If not, I guess you may be looking at a personality disorder. Anyways, that's what this site is for, you find out whether you're one of us or not here. Best of luck.

You may want to consider yourself AS or not, that is something only you can decide, but the reasons you're talked of so far are not reasons that speak against AS.

Neither are they particularly atypical when considering all those with AS - I wouldn't compare myself to most people here on WP either, it gives an incomplete picture.

I once wondered about the same for much of the same reasons. That, since other folks with AS and HFA even accused me of such, I can't very well be autistic if I am so different!

But unlike you I didn't reject my diagnosis then.

No idea on that. I like people. It's strange that you say 'you think you don't like people'. You must know whether you like them or not.



As do mine. That's the typical variety in life.



I am also social. I've wondered about whether I might be non-social, because I was horrible at it in the past. But I found that whether one likes being social or not has little to do with how good one is at being social.

I don't mind meeting new people, I'm great with chit-chat and random small talk and I'm all for being with people.



Neither had I.



Now I hope this wasn't meant seriously (you never know that on an ASD forum do you) or else I have to say this is ridiculous. Though I sure dislike a doctor or two who're so incompetent I'm amazed they know their ears from their... eh, nevermind.



No comment, can't say I did better in school.



I'm currently working and I'm popular and liked there too. Nobody thinks I'm autistic.

I also relate only a little to most with AS on here. I think the ones I relate to here to whatever reason mostly have others ASDs. I also relate a lot to my friends who're all non-autistic and have no other neurological disorders.

So whether or not you're autistic... the above has little to do with it. There must be others reasons if you're not autistic. Mainly, not meeting the real official criteria of Asperger's.

Welcome to the group of Aspieish NTs, NocturnalQuilter

I hope you'll be staying

Hi mate,

What you have written is very simular to what I am struggling through .. checking "I don't think I'm an aspie" thread.

I am smart but at other things I am a dunce.

I am social, but that only happened after a chemical romance changed my life forever (Lasers, dance music.. hope you get my drift) I too am required to be very social in my job. But ask yourself self ... do you go in prepped with a list of topics to talk about? Do you find out as much about this person as you can? Do you let them do the talking first? Are you conciously studying their movements or reactions to other peoples questions? ... DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE SPYING.

Given your age (40), you might be adapting to the NT world and assimilating some of its ambiance. I am a 73 year old Aspie. I was an Aspie before the syndrome was named (as was Thomas Jefferson and Isaac Newton). During the last 35 years I have become well adapted to the NT world (I am married to an NT and all of my children are NT except for my oldest son). Day to day living in the world of NT has given me practice in "passing" for NT. I have learned to simulate NT existence in terms of externals. Inside I am still an Aspie and I always will be.

ruveyn

It's possible. Misdiagnosis happens. Diagnosis seems rather subjective anyway.

I have never felt I don't have AS, but most of the people on this site don't seem much like me at all. I know other people with AS who seem a lot like me, though. (This is probably why I don't spend a huge amount of time on this site compared to some others. I don't really have any friends here so I drift in and out.)

But on your specific points:

1. I can't follow a lot of the threads here. There are plenty about things I don't know or care about and plenty of posts that just seem incomprehensible or, frankly, too poorly-written to follow.
2. Maybe you don't like people because you don't get along with them, rather than not getting along with them because you don't like them. But I don't really feel I don't get along with people. It's more that I have trouble getting "personal"; I get along with people in a superficial way but have a hard time going from being acquaintances to being friends.
3. People with AS have varying degrees of "normality" in their life experiences. Some have had pretty normal life experiences.
4. Having and valuing friends doesn't seem unusual. It's more the ease with which you seem to acquire them that seems unusual to me.
5. This does seem unusual. I think most of us tend to have very strong interests, but it is not an absolute requirement.
6. You may just never have been mistreated by a doctor, giving you no reason to harbor resentment towards one.

These points sugest that.

I agree - points 4 and 5 really do. The others don't, but those stick out as unusual to me.

It is not needed for diagnosis though. There are 3 other criteria to fulfil.

A special interest isn't even of any relevance in the international official criteria, the ICD.

Even in the DSM, it only says that those with AS 'often' have a special interest, not that it is a core feature of AS.

I don't think it's possible to diagnose someone from a list of traits, because it's not just the traits, it's how they fit together and contribute to the whole person. If your instincts tell you you're not on the spectrum after all, then I'd go with the instincts, and to heck with lists of traits.

At one point I was convinced I was extraverted. I read up on it and eventually reluctantly decided I wasn't after all. But I do have lots of energy, and would like to be more social than I am, so there was a reason that label caught my eye. I learned something about myself.

IQ has nothing to do with it. Some of us are freaks, no question, but I think it's deceptive to use us as typical examples. We may be atypical for the spectrum.



I discovered a while back that I don't like many people either. I used to whine "nobody likes me" until I realised I don't like most of them either. It was a refreshing revelation. I suspect that my clash with my landlord is because we don't have anything in common, rather than because I'm a crip.



Lucky you!



Also, lucky you! I may not like most people, but it hurts when I'm unable to make friends with the people I do like, because of the bubble I'm in.



I suspect this is more common in men, but not universal or diagnostic. I think being super focussed on whatever is in front of us is more to the point. I feel like my brain is an electron microscope. Of course, that may not be diagnostic either.

I see a lot of people saying things like, "I'm not smart", or "I have a low IQ", in this forum. First of all I think people put WAY too much weight into their IQ. An IQ really isn't a valid form of measuring someones intelligence imo. When i read the posts of some of the people in here who call themselves stupid, I honestly don't see it. From my experience, people who you could actually call stupid don't usually know they're stupid (lol), so maybe refering to yourselves as stupid all of the time is just a self-esteem issue or a lack of confidence. Stop beating yourselves up! It will never do anything positive for you in your life. (I'm not trying to imply that i'm perfect, because I am the worst for beating myself up :S)

IQ doesn't mean anything, they're just numbers. I can remember someone on here saying a while back, someone can have an IQ of 139 and not be able to hold down a job while someone who has an IQ of 71 and can hold down one.

Someone can have an IQ of 127 and struggle in school because they have a learning disability while someone can have an IQ of 134 and excel in subjects and do above grade level school work.


I have an online friend who's IQ is 89 but when she talks about her obsession, she sounds like a genius because she knows so much about them. She could get a job in that area and be an expert in it. It's as if she went to school and trained to know that stuff to work in that area. But no she just read about them and did research. She taught herself.


Ever seen I Am Sam. Sam was ret*d but when it came to The Beatles, he sounded above average because he knew trivia and facts about them. Some people think he was autistic because he has the components but the movie mentions mental retardation a few times and ret*d people and autism share the same symptoms.

I doubted that I had AS for about 3 years after getting dx'ed. I think that's pretty normal.

Happy with the AS Dx topic

My IQ is adequate for my needs as a tutor.

I do nto know why you denigrate yourself, NQ. Others do this here as well. You have a talent with quilts. Good. You have visual abilities. I do as well but these do not translate into crafts. I like to sew but for utilitarian reasons. I am a practical Aspe.

Just be yourself. Everyone is different. My AS is not what others here experience.

I have less than two years high-school, and no GED thingie.

Perhaps you have impaired empathy.